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  • What happened to all the Rings of Power? Presumably Sauron or the Wraiths have/had the 9 Rings of Men. But what about the Elven Rings and the Dwarf Rings? They can't all have been tossed into the fires of Mordor. Hell, they couldn't even manage to throw the One Ring into the fires without going through TWO world wars.
  • Where the hell did the Valar go? They're big with the meddling and were quite happy to fight Morgoth, but they forbid Gandalf and co from directly fighting any evil. What the hell is up with that?
  • Was Saruman planning the War of the Ring even when he was kicking Sauron outta Dol Guldur?
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  • Are there any dwarves left? I got the impression that the Goblins/Orc/Whatever wiped them all out
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Well, Gimli is one, and he lead a small group to the big meeting. So I think only those in Moria got wiped, and the rest are still OK.

1. Well, Elrond has one elven ring, Galadriel has another, perhaps her hubbie has the third?
2. Valar?
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Where the hell did the Valar go? They're big with the meddling and were quite happy to fight Morgoth, but they forbid Gandalf and co from directly fighting any evil. What the hell is up with that?
From what I heard, the Silmarillion goes into detail about this.  Apparently the last time the Valar were directly involved in a battle on Middle-Earth, they destroyed half the planet in the process.  This time around they opted for a more subtle, indirect route - a surgical strike to destroy just the ring.

 

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What happened to all the Rings of Power? Presumably Sauron or the Wraiths have/had the 9 Rings of Men. But what about the Elven Rings and the Dwarf Rings? They can't all have been tossed into the fires of Mordor. Hell, they couldn't even manage to throw the One Ring into the fires without going through TWO world wars.


All the dwarven rings were either eaten by dragons or in the posession of Sauron. The elven rings were held by Galadriel, Elrond and somewhat surpringly Gandalf (He was given Ciridan's ring).

AFAIK the elven rings lost their power after the One ring was destroyed. Either way everything that was built with them was diminished after the destruction of the One.

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Was Saruman planning the War of the Ring even when he was kicking Sauron outta Dol Guldur?


Yep. The sneaky bastard was. He told the Council of the Wise that the One had been destroyed but was already searching for it.


Here's a couple of my own. Was the witch-king of Angmar already a Nazgul when he founded that realm? The Silmarilion seems to say so but I'm not certain.  If so in what book does it cover that?  Unfinished tales?

Also why did Sauron bother with Dol Guldur in the first place? From the sounds of it everyone knew that the Nazgul were lurking in Minas Morgul anyway. Do they really smell that bad that Sauron couldn't have moved in there? :D
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heres one, WTF do those stupid rings do anyway, the ring of power only turned people invisible, made them live longer and turn into evil freaks, what about the other ones, and how does sauron die when it gets thrown into the volcano, he was alright before he made it.

 

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Sauron put a lot of himself into the ring. As a result he gained immense power but tied his fate to that of the ring.
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Uh...no.

He made the ring to control the other ring-bearers, who he assumed would be the Kings of the 3 big races.

Then he got his ass kicked.

The One Ring held the last little chunks of his power and was the only thing keeping his essence from going *poof*.
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Not to be a total nag, but a lot of these questions can be answered by reading The Silmarillion or Unfinished Tales.  Actually, I'd recommend them to anyone the least bit into The Lord of the Rings.  The Silmarillion tells the complete story of the creation of Middle-Earth and the First Age, as well as including a history of Numenor and a brief overview of the Third Age.  Unfinished Tales contains some more in-depth sections of stories from all three Ages, including a longer version of the story of Turin and more details about Numenor.  Of course, if you're feeling really adventurous you can get into The Book of Lost Tales 1 and 2.  These are collections of some of Tolkien's earliest writings on the history of Middle-Earth; it's interesting to see how they evolved into the content of The Silmarillion.  Of course, everything besides the actual trilogy and The Hobbit was edited by Tolkien's son Christopher, since Tolkien never really created a fully finished version of The Silmarillion.  Over much of his life, he re-wrote many of the stories related to the history of Middle-Earth, and some reached a more polished version than others.  One story that he never really finished was the tale of Tuor and the fall of Gondolin; a shorter version is in The Silmarillion, and there's the start of a more in-depth tale in Unfinished Tales, I think, but never the fully detailed story.  Christopher has said that that's the one story he most regrets that his father never finished.

As you can tell, I'm a huge Tolkien fan :p.  There are some other books available beyond the ones I mentioned above, including some of the epic poems/songs that Tolkien wrote regarding Middle-Earth (such as the "Lay of Leithian," for instance), as well as a History of Middle-Earth set that includes some earlier versions of elements of the actual Lord of the Rings trilogy.  I haven't really gotten into any of this later work yet, but I hope to in the future.

 

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The individual rings increased the bearers influence and ability to influence other people of their race, and allowed people to see 'beyond the normal'. Each ring, iirc, would give the wearer greater perspective when making decisions and more insight into the minds of their people.

The Master Ring alowed you to see things from Sauron's 'point of view' as it were, something that would destroy the mind of most people. The Ring has enough power to influence any race, but is irredeemibly evil and will corrupt it's wearer. In truth, I always felt the Eye of Sauron in Mordor was really just a reflection of the will within in the ring.

I don't know if Sauron could truly have resurected himself in physical form though.

 

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Uh...no.

He made the ring to control the other ring-bearers, who he assumed would be the Kings of the 3 big races.

Then he got his ass kicked.

The One Ring held the last little chunks of his power and was the only thing keeping his essence from going *poof*.


None of which disagrees with the simpler way I put it. :p
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It does.

Sauron was all "Hulk smash!" and was using the Ring as a weapon to focus his power. Then he died and was like "Argh! ****!" and existed only as a shadow of his former self within the Ring, clinging to life by a thread.

So his fate wasn't tied to the Ring until he got stabbed by Isildur.

The way you put it implies that it was all intentional and that he meant to bind himself to the One Ring, when really all he was doing was empowering a weapon to use it against the peoples of middle earth and happened to stumble onto an added bonus.
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oooh, obscure Tolkien trivia.

Now, there are still dwarves left in the Iron Hills and in the Lonely Mountain, which I think is their HQ since it was retaken from Smaug. I'm assuming that the 3,7 and 9 rings stilol physically remained intact, though their power vanished. Not so sure about the 9, since supposedly the Wraiths died and something about the whole One Ring-Nine Rings relathionship kinda makes me think they might have been destroyed, but the rest remained I think. Oh and, they were Galadriel, Elrond and Cirdan, who gave his to Gandalf for great justice.

As for the Valar, they kind of decided not to meddle after Morgoth was defeated, but later decided that if he (Morgoth) and his minions were going to make ****, they damn well wouldn't stand by and take it. So they sent the Istari, the Wizards, which was Radagast, Saruman, Gandalf and two others (Pallando and Araman I think) who went to the East (Harad) and they don't really enter the story. These guys were Maia, of the same kind os Sauron, though obviously weaker.

oh and, what Kara said about the One Ring and Sauron.
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As you can tell, I'm a huge Tolkien fan :p.  There are some other books available beyond the ones I mentioned above, including some of the epic poems/songs that Tolkien wrote regarding Middle-Earth (such as the "Lay of Leithian," for instance), as well as a History of Middle-Earth set that includes some earlier versions of elements of the actual Lord of the Rings trilogy.  I haven't really gotten into any of this later work yet, but I hope to in the future.


I recommend you check out the ...er, hold on a minute, I've forgotten the name.

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the Notion Club Papers, which is sort of a work in progress story, though of a completely different genre than LOTR and the Silmarillion, I guess it could be described as science ficition at the time. Its kind of hard to read, and has alot of footnotes and stuff, since it was no where near completion, but its an interesting story and comes off as sort of autobiographical.

Its a very different side of Tolkien, but in other aspects very familiar, since languages and linguistics play a major part in the story, as does the concept of Numenor (or Atlantis, Avalonne, call it what you will), which if you've read alot of Tolkien's work and some of the bits behind the scenes, was sort of Tokien's favourite and most personal bit, I think.

 

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Warning -

The Simarillion is probably the hardest thing to read ever written.  Plan on getting VERY lost in all the name changes.

Better make big pot of coffee for it, but amazing story.
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Warning -

The Simarillion is probably the hardest thing to read ever written.  Plan on getting VERY lost in all the name changes.

Better make big pot of coffee for it, but amazing story.

I'll agree with you on that one :p.  I kept having to refer back to the one map of Beleriand that showed who ruled what.  Yes, it's hard to follow, but it's a fantastic, epic story that describes the early history of Middle-Earth and sets up the Lord of the Rings trilogy.  And yes, coffee is a good idea :p.

 

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gandalf has the 3rd elven ring
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gandalf has the 3rd elven ring


yeah. and the dwarven rings were destroyed, weren't they?
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Or captured by Sauron. He took the one belonging to Thorin's father or grandfather from him in the dungeons of Dol Guldur.

IIRC it was a 3:4 split as to how many ended up in Sauron's hands vs being destroyed by dragonfire but I can't remember exactly which way the split went.
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I don't think the rest were destroyed. I think some of them were, and some of them are just lost at the bottom of some gigantic pile of loot.