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Ah, you want the Hillary Clinton package.
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Well, what I personally complain at is a company making huge profits and laying off employees, or making no profits, laying off employers and then the directors giving themselves a 25% pay-rise for doing so.

A suspect a great number of stonger people could have done better than Bush, he isn't strong, he's too stupid to realise his advisors are leading him down the Garden path. George Bush is fooled by his own advisors propaganda and has destroyed America's reputation, it's resources and wasted it's people in a war for nothing more than oil, as an excuse to spread 'freedom' whilst taking 'freedom' away from both Iraqis and his own citizens.

He kinda reminds me of the kid at school who always wanted to be part of the 'Elite' so he sucks up to them. He is a sheep posing with Wolves, and that scares me.

 

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Three words and one mathematical symbol:

Twin Towers = Reichstag
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Offline Martinus

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He kinda reminds me of the kid at school who always wanted to be part of the 'Elite' so he sucks up to them. He is a sheep posing with Wolves, and that scares me.

[color=66ff00]Flip, he had major interests in oil, he had his own drilling company.

G. W. Bush is anything but an innocent lackey, he's at the reins.
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with his IQ?
I don't think so.

Not in regards to foreign policy anyway. Yes, certain domestic initiatives may have originated with Bush, but abroad, he's a puppet. Guys like Cheney, Wolfowitz and the neo-cons are pulling the strings.

You honestly think that guy has the wit to understand world affairs? Come on.

 

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No, he's the kid with a pool.
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Bush gains sympathy for his idiocy.  He's Cletus the redneck done good, and it appears that voters relate to that.

Incidentally, A new poll in 35 countries suggests that people around the world would prefer Democratic challenger John Kerry as US president over George W Bush.

 

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Bush gains sympathy for his idiocy.  He's Cletus the redneck done good, and it appears that voters relate to that.

Incidentally, A new poll in 35 countries suggests that people around the world would prefer Democratic challenger John Kerry as US president over George W Bush.

My response:  Who the hell cares what the rest of the world thinks?  They can't vote on Nov. 2. Leave our political system to us.

As for the rest of you:  Give it a rest with the whole "Bush is a dumb@$$" routine.  What a typical liberal response: "I hate what Bush has done, so he must be stupid."  I hope it makes you feel better about yourselves.  Bush was intelligent enough to get a C average at Yale, which is more than you can say about a lot of people.  Bush was intelligent enough to be elected president.  Bush was intelligent enough to surround himself with a top team of advisers who know what they're doing.  Bush is no puppet; he runs a tight ship and is on top of every decision his administration makes.  I don't really care whether or not you're for or against Bush, but I'm really getting tired of this puerile name-calling and moronic Bush-bashing.  I, for one, am not for Bush because I sympathize with his stupidity or any other such nonsense; I think he is a good president who has done a great job coping with some very difficult events.  I also agree with his stance on the issues.   Does that sound like a vote for Cletus? :rolleyes:

 

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My response:  Who the hell cares what the rest of the world thinks?  They can't vote on Nov. 2. Leave our political system to us.

As for the rest of you:  Give it a rest with the whole "Bush is a dumb@$$" routine.  What a typical liberal response: "I hate what Bush has done, so he must be stupid."  I hope it makes you feel better about yourselves.  Bush was intelligent enough to get a C average at Yale, which is more than you can say about a lot of people.  Bush was intelligent enough to be elected president.  Bush was intelligent enough to surround himself with a top team of advisers who know what they're doing.  Bush is no puppet; he runs a tight ship and is on top of every decision his administration makes.  I don't really care whether or not you're for or against Bush, but I'm really getting tired of this puerile name-calling and moronic Bush-bashing.  I, for one, am not for Bush because I sympathize with his stupidity or any other such nonsense; I think he is a good president who has done a great job coping with some very difficult events.  I also agree with his stance on the issues.   Does that sound like a vote for Cletus? :rolleyes:


If you want to **** about with the rest of the world, accept the judgement of the world when you do so.

I can honsestly say that i have never seen an ounce of the qualites I would want in a leader in George Bush.  I'm sorry if you disagree, but I see him is a liability upon the planet.  What he's done in the years since 9/11, has acted to massively destabilise many areas of the world, damaged the global environment, damaged the global economy (i.e. illegal trade sanctions & government assitance for supercorps), damaged civil liberties in the US (which has sadly been mirrored to a lesser degree over here), promoted religious discrimination (funding to non-secular organisations), damaged the UNs ability to act as a mediating power and - of course - resulted in thousands of civillian deaths.

Not to mention the lower level things such as Guantanomo bay, which is a blatant attempt to circumvent the Geneva convention through hazy reclassification of what is a POW.

Incidentally, on the subject of stupidity, why is 'liberal' being used as an insult?  

Lets have a look at some definitions;
liberal, progressive -- (a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties)

 having political or social views favoring reform and progress

 tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition

 A person who believes that the government should actively support social reform within the existing system. Liberals stress the importance of individual rights and believe the government should promote equality in affairs of private citizens and businesses.

 one who advocates greater freedom

A  liberal is a person who supports moderate social progress and reform.


I feel complimented by being placed under that bracket.

 

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aldo, give it a rest, its a brick wall.

 

Offline aldo_14

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aldo, give it a rest, its a brick wall.


Tis not really the 'Bush' thing that annoys me, it's the attitude of '**** what the rest of the world thinks, we're AMERICA!'.  Which kind of embarasses other merkins, I'd imagine.  

That and this stupid arsed misappropriation of 'liberal' for purely political purposes, and then using it as an insult, when the actual proper meaning is positive.

 

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aldo, I'm using the political terminology, not the philosophical one; basically, left vs. right wing.  You can replace it with the people who think, "I hate Bush because he's st00pid" or something as equally as intelligent.  I didn't mean "liberal" as an insult, at least not that time :p.

Rictor, is everyone who disagrees with your viewpoints a "stupid brick wall" who doesn't deserve intelligent discussion?  I'm just curious...

 

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Any year now, something's going to snap, and the nukes will all explode and everyone will die and the universe will implode and God will sit on his fluffy little cloud and wonder why the hell he bothered. :p

 

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Please, can you (and anyone) just use the standard meaning of 'liberal'?

 It's less confusing for non-US people, especially at there are multiple Liberal parties (i.e. Liberal Democrats in the UK, who are reallty the centrist 3rd party and probably nothing like the US Democrats) in other countries  It also avoids the politicised bastardization of the worlds meaning (which really gets on my tits, especially as it means the real, positive meaning of the word is being slowly removed, Newspeak style).

  

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Originally posted by Mongoose

My response:  Who the hell cares what the rest of the world thinks?  They can't vote on Nov. 2. Leave our political system to us.


:lol: :rolleyes: :lol:

Must... stop... laughing :lol:....... irony alert... reaching... maximum level... :lol:

ok ok... *cough*

So when anyone in the US government supports coups on other countries they are really "using their own political system"? :lol:

Or when they decide to invade another nation they are "using their constitucional right"? :lol:
"Closing the Box" - a campaign in the making :nervous:

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no Mongoose, its just that it seems that the word "liberal" is so entrenched as a pejorative is some people's mind. As aldo said, liberal has a positive meaning attached to it, and only in America (that I know of) has the word been bastardized by certain idiotic pundits to mean something negative.

The word is highly politicized, and when slung as a insult, means anything from "terrorist appeaser" to "communist pinko" to "religion hater" to "feminazi" to "eurosocialist" and any of the vast number os such phrase.

In fact, not only is calling some a liberal a compliment, it is also the most mild of several political leanings (liberal, progressive, radical etc). So if you're trying to imply a radical left-wing agenda, liberal is not the best word to use.

 

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It's almost Orwellian in nature, actually.... by changing the meaning of 'liberal' to a partisan, political one, you're creating a situation where it can become the enemy (as we can see to a lesser degree with the current US usage).... and thus all the positives it stands for can be eliminated.  It's a very dangerous thing, more so because it seems as much societal as introduced by a manipulative entity such as a government.

Which is what i meant by Newspeak, incidentally. :)

 

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I always laugh when people laugh at 'Peaceniks' as though preferring peace to people dying is somehow treacherous. And the worst bit is that the public is gullible enough to buy into that train of thought :(

 

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[q]And the worst bit is that the public is gullible enough to buy into that train of thought [/q]

The entire population is addicted to MSG and kept rather unhealthy by Aspartame - ur suprised they'r easily controlled?

Stop drinking diet products and sugar replacements... now dude.
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You have to look into the minds of the people you're talking to to understand the Pro-Bush sentiment here. HLP is a decent microcosm I guess, though I can;t really be sure of that since I haven't got much of a comparison model.

Look at things from their point of view. They see their day to day lives, and they compare them with the Clinton era four years ago, and frankly, not all that much has likely changed. It's unlikely they 've needed major health care recently, or tried to buy a house or get a job. Most likely, they're not major taxpayers, either living at home, or in a low taxable income state (eg. studying), so any increases or decreases there aren't affecting them so much. They probably complain about petrol prices (if they drive at all) but ultimately, it's a few extra bucks every time you fill up your car. They're also exposed to the spin a lot more than we are - they hear the presidents weekly radio addresses, the televised speeches, and presumably get similar government funded ads that we do whenever a major new policy is implimented. Chances are, they're not trained in environmental biology, so they're not aware of the devastating potential effects of Bush's environmental plans. The economical repercussions of many of Bushs policies also probably aren't affecting them yet - they might be consciously aware that the US has gone from a healthy surplus to a record deficit, but the government still has readily available money, even though it's technically not real money, so for them it's not an issue.

Keep in mind also that they've seen Bush latch on to 9/11 and never let go. Historically there's always been support for leaders during a conflict of any kind - you only have to look at the discrepancy between the quality of Reagans policies and the degree of reverence the people seem to have for him to demonstrate the strength of that argument, even these days. They've seen their president go in and blow stuff up and sat watching their TVs with a vague smile on their face secure in the knowledge that that's the just reward they deserve for messing with the almighty US of A. They see Bush as a protector, a fighter, someone who's not afraid to do what he sees as right, despite massive international opposition. In short, it appeals to the militant patriotism that is so deeply ingrained into them by American culture.

Then compare it with ourselves, the "foreigners", those of us outside the system. Our news reports are of dry numbers - we see things far clearer than they do because they don;t directly affect us. We know that Bush's tax cuts have been aimed almost exclusively at the rich, and since that doesn't really affect us either way, we can oppose it on principle. Moreover, none of his moronic policies are tempered by anything that we can see in the same light as the Americans can see his wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (ie. fighting against personal aggressors). On the flipside of that though, we doo see Bush's foreign policy in a far more personal light than the Americans do. They know he'll never **** them over in the same way he did, say, France, but we don't. We never know when the axe might fall our way. And those of us in less politically stable nations might even be worried about more direct American interference in their own governments (coup support etc.). Since that's not something he'll ever support in America, they don't see it as a problem.

Basically, you have to get inside their heads and realize that, effectively, it all comes down to the fact that they're never going to be able to see him as impassionately and clearly as we can, and thus, there's always going to be some degree of support for him.
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