[Martinus]

[color=66ff00]NORAD I assume.[/color]

[Mongoose]

Yeah, Kosh, Clinton did a great job with terrorism.  Just look at the actions he took against al-Qaeda after the African embassy bombings, or the Cole attack.  Top-notch .  Maybe if Clinton had done something more then, 9/11 could have been prevented.  Funny how everyone seems to forget that, though.

Karajorma, I seem to remember that fighters were scrambled at some point after the two WTC impacts, but that the attack on the Pentagon occurred before they were able to do anything about it.  I don't have any concrete information, but I'd guess that the fighters were scrambled near New York; obviously, those wouldn't do much good to shoot down a plane in DC.

Clave, have you even seen the security camera frames that clearly show an airliner coming in and impacting the Pentagon?  Doesn't look like a missile to me.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Mongoose


Clave, have you even seen the security camera frames that clearly show an airliner coming in and impacting the Pentagon?  Doesn't look like a missile to me.

Unless you're referring to a different set of frames (i.e. not the ones from what i think was a security camera at the gated enterance), the time lapse doesn;t actually show anything other than a big fireball.

[an0n]

Originally posted by Tiara

Cheyenne Mountain!?

I KNEW the Goa'Uld .................witty jokes of D00M!

What the fu..........Oh. Right. Holland.

[Clave]

I saw a picture of a hole that had been neatly punched through on of the inner walls.  I looked like nothing a crumpled airliner would have done, if anything it was like a shell had blown through, but, weird things happen when stuff explodes, so who knows...

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Clave
I saw a picture of a hole that had been neatly punched through on of the inner walls.  I looked like nothing a crumpled airliner would have done, if anything it was like a shell had blown through, but, weird things happen when stuff explodes, so who knows...

The speed & sheer force of the impact simply forced the wings into the body of the plane.

[Martinus]

[color=66ff00]Not that I think that this is true but the fact that the possibility exists that it could have been engineered is rather striking is it not?
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[Clave]

But even if the wings were forced in, or more likely sheared off, airliners consist mostly of empty space, unlike a missile or rocket which is mostly solid - I have first hand experience of missiles, and can make some presumptions here.  

It's still bugging me though, because the pic I saw seemed neither one thing or another.  There was not enough random debris for an airliner passing through, but the hole should have had more cracks in it if there was a missile explosion....

[an0n]

I'm too lazy to scroll up, but if you people are refering to the Pentagon, there's like 200 people who actually saw a plane come screaming through the air and slam into the building.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Mongoose
but I'd guess that the fighters were scrambled near New York; obviously, those wouldn't do much good to shoot down a plane in DC.

That would be pretty f**king stupid considering that the BBC was reporting the planes locations more acurately than that.

However considering the complete state of disarray everyone was in on that day it's quite possible they did that.

[Mongoose]

There's one thing every discussion about 9/11 should keep in mind that some people seem to forget:  nothing like this had ever happened before in US history.  Passenger planes were hijacked and used as cruise missiles.  You already had two that had flown into the most visible buildings in NYC.  Of course everything was in disarray; I wouldn't think of it any other way.  Some people seem to always be saying, "Well, if this had been done at that exact time..."  Hindsight is always 20/20, but real life doesn't work that way.  I'm not stating this for anyone on this board in particular, but as a general statement.

Now that you mention it, Aldo, the still shots didn't show the plane, just the resulting explosion.  Still, as an0n pointed out, there were hundreds of eyewitnesses.  Not to mention the fact that if something other than a plane hit the Pentagon, a whole airliner's worth of people would be missing for no apparent reason .

[vyper]

http://www.standdown.net/

[an0n]

If two huge jets slam into national landmarks, anyone with half a brain would immediately think "Scramble all fighters. Ground all civillian aircraft."

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by vyper
http://www.standdown.net/

Didn't read all that site, but one thing that immediately stands out as bollocks is the thing about the Twin Towers collapse being odd... the structural engineer responsible for designing the towers has already explained the towers could not handle an impact as happeneded on 9/11, and that the damage to the impacted floors meant that the upper floors were collapsing onto them, i.e. causing the rapid collapse.

It's also not explained exactly what the maximum operational time of a fuelled (assuming it is) combat aircraft at maximum speed is, not is it mentioned that many flights do leave at 30% or less capacity (I've been on one myself) RE: the causalty figures, nor that the timing of the attack (early morning rather than later on) was probably down to the best window opportunity (i.e. flights in the morning have less hostages to worry about, for one thing) as planning.  

And probably much  more.

[Kosh]

Yeah, Kosh, Clinton did a great job with terrorism. Just look at the actions he took against al-Qaeda after the African embassy bombings, or the Cole attack. Top-notch

More inaccurate spin. Here are the facts: He did stop a ton of potential attacks (you won't hear it on Fox because it is the whole truth). It is better than exploiting it for his own political adgenda, unlike a certain president HAS done so repeatedly.

[Rictor]

Hate to be anal about it, but both an embassy and especially a warship are legitimate military/government targets. So its not terrorism. It could be said to be "agression", but not terrorism, since it was not against a civilian population.

[Ford Prefect]

The fighters that were scrambled were chasing ghosts because the hijackers had turned off the planes' radar signals.

[Kosh]

I think they should make those signals hardwired to the on position.

[01010]

Originally posted by aldo_14


Didn't read all that site, but one thing that immediately stands out as bollocks is the thing about the Twin Towers collapse being odd... the structural engineer responsible for designing the towers has already explained the towers could not handle an impact as happeneded on 9/11, and that the damage to the impacted floors meant that the upper floors were collapsing onto them, i.e. causing the rapid collapse.

 

I was under the impression that the towers were actually designed to take an plane impact, can't remember where I read that though, also, the reason I read for the collapse was that there was huge steel cables running the length of the buildings, keeping them stable and supporting the upper floors, when the planes crashed the excess jet fuel burning in the chambers these cables were housed in caused them to melt and the building to lose stability causing the collapse.

[Ghostavo]

A plane as in a small cesna, not a jumbo jet!