ionia23:
YOu know NOTHING about my line of thinking -
No Religious person has ever present evidence to support their position, none of them even seem to understand what evidence is
"faith" is falicious by nature - 'nough said
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Originally posted by Mongoose
I really don't want to keep crapping on this thread like this, but you leave me no choice. I just made a simple request, but apparently that's too much for some of you...
In the words of your idol: "Bring it on"!
No ammunition, Kazan? I've got ammunition; I just don't usually go around proseltyzing. Here's a few little things, though. Firstly, over 90% of the Earth's population believes in some sort of higher power.
Argumentum ad populii -- just because a lot of people believe a lie doesn't make that lie true
That's a little too big to be random chance.
yeah.. it's called the idea of a higher power is emotionally appealling - that doesn't make it true
you seem to lack basic understanding of sociology and psychology
Cultures across the world from each other, completely separated, have similar ideas about some sort of higher being.
except there is no such thing as a "Completely seperated" culture
That, to me, speaks volumes.
which means you either never took basic sociology, psychology and human history classes - or you failed them spectacularily
Do you actually think the vast majority of the world is crazy?
A) They believe in things which they cannot provide any evidence for the existance of
B) Some believe in things which they have direct counterevidence of
A and/or B therefore: they're delusional
Did you ever stop to think that maybe you were in the wrong,
Yes, and nobody has yet provided me with
ANY evidence to support a position different then mine.. oh they'ved tried, but none of them seem to understand what evidence IS
since you and the rest of your minority seem to be outweighed from all parts of the globe?
just like when someone finally figured out the earth was round and he was laughed at.. or when mathemticians figured out pi was approximately 3.14 and not 3 and the religious establishment went nuts because the bible defines pi to be 3
Secondly, take a look at the universe around us. Science has given us a glimpse into its remarkable complexity and order; are you telling me that all of this is possible without something more behind it?
Completely, totally, and easily - take an intro class in physics
Take the Big Bang, for instance; we know scientifically that something does not come from nothing. How, then, do you explain a massive explosion of matter with no apparent cause?
We know that everything was in a supersingularity as we can accurately extrapolate back to about 15 to 20ns before "the big bang" -- but before that we're not yet sure
To me, that's more proof of the existance of some higher being than disproof.
you don't seem to know what proof is because it's neither proof or counterproof
Thirdly, take a look at the human mind. We're more than simple animals; we have something deeper, a consciousness that transcends genetics and physical structure.
um... no our consciousness doesn't transcend genetics, it's the result of our genetics
We display rationality, thought, creativity, and a wide range of emotions.
and then blissfully ignore it when something more emotionally appealing isn't rational
Human beings have something inside them that sets them apart from all the rest of the universe, something fundamental and awe-inspiring.
i disagree -- you're just making us "special" in your own mind to feel better about yourself
You can call it a soul, if you like.
no, you call it a soul because you like - i don't purport the existance of anything i do not have evidence for
Are you trying to tell me that something like this could occur from a galactic roll of the dice?
very easily --
the probabilities were vastly _IN_ _FAVOR_ of life cropping up on earth.
For you to fathom this i'd have to explain to you abiogenesis, the conditions required therefore (were exactly the same conditions present on early earth, and we've replicated it in a lab)
Do you really think that, when you die, your whole being will simply cease to exist?
yes, because i have no evidence otherwise
If so, I really pity you.
I do not need pitied for having the bravery to see passed natural tendancies tword thinking that reality is whim to my emotions
As for no evidence: many of the scientific theories that you and I subscribe to have little solid evidence.
ROTFL you must have been failing your basic science classes!
Has anyone ever seen a proton or an electron? Of course not.
Yes they have: Scanning Electron Microscope
We still take it for granted that they exist.
No we don't - we have plenty of evidence: you've just ignored it
What is real cannot be limited to our own five senses; the thought is absurd.
Our senses can be enhanced - and the thought is _NOT_ absurb
Some things cannot be directly experienced; that's what's called "faith,"
No faith is defined as belief without evidence (websters)
a deep feeling that there is something bigger out there than what can be seen.
that's what you have -- a feeling does not make it true
As for no proof: how do you explain things like the one miracle leading to the canonization of Katherine Drexel? A young girl is physically incapable of hearing; the structures in her ear have absolutely no capability of transmitting sound to her brain. And yet, she suddenly can hear perfectly. The medical world is dumbfounded; by all scientific facts, she should still be deaf. And yet she isn't. How would you explain something like that?
The human body has surprising capablility to health itself and variance to what is "normal" is great amongst our species
By the law of Large numbers 1 in a million "miracles" happen over 200 times every day in the united states alone, and over 6000 times a day globally
just because they haven't _YET_ figured it out doesn't mean a deity did itYeah, I'm really the one who's "silly."
Indeed - you believe in things which you have no evidence to support the existance of
You claim that the religious have their heads shoved up their @$$es; I'll return the favor and say that it's the non-religious.
I can make my claim, because I can demostrate why it's true.
You cannot make your claim, because non-religious individuals do not believe in anything that they cannot provide evidence for.
You should look up the definition of "Delusional"
You are incapable/refuse to open up your eyes and see the wonder that is our universe; you refuse to open your minds to the possibility that belief should not be faced on sight alone or that there is something more out there. You are blinded by your own prejudices against those who have religious faith.
No; you're incapable of imagining a person who is capable of putting aside their emotionalism and view the world objectively and to trust only that which they can provide evidence for.
You're incapable of imagining someone who values truth over what feels good.
I have looked at all the 'evidence' - there IS NONE for your position.
That's the last I'll say about this.
That would be best, for your own good
I will, however, request politely one more time to stop posting these attacks about religion.
And I absolutely unequivocally refuse - religion is a the largest fundamental threat to the survival of our species and i will not sit down and let us destroy it
Do you think it really does anything for the good of this forum? I don't; in fact, it turns every thread that remotely mentions religion into the same back-and-forth that this thread has turned into.
IT only turns it into a back-and-forth because YOU WON'T LISTEN, you've made up your own mind and you don't want to hear anything
If you actually presented me with
ANY REAL EVIDENCE then I would back off, because you would actually have evidence and therefore by definition you wouldn't be delusional
Yes, I know your views about religion, but you also have to realize that the majority of people do not share those views.
Argumentum ad populii again
It won't kill you to keep your fingers crossed and stop yourselves from whatever anti-religious statement you're about to make.
actually it very well could, but you would never understand how (Because you would refuse to listen)
Just let things be and accept the fact that religion plays a very important role in many, many people's lives.
That doesn't make it true, nor does it make it an acceptable thing
I, in turn, will accept the fact that religion plays no part in your lives.
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