Originally posted by Night Hammer
But not as publicy or as loudly as the good ol' Dems:p
Ric, I spose I do support them, due to family ties and the fact that I think things should done in the world. No I dont think we should maintain a peacekeeping force or set up new countries but I think dictators and terrorists should be gotten rid of. Since we are the only country that seems to use force everyone criticizes us. The UN's solutions dont work, economic sanctioning doesnt really do much. It affects the innocent people yall whine n ***** about us affecting, not the leaders, not the people who make the decisions. Iraq had it for about 13/14 years didnt seem to bug them, **** Cuba has been under them since the 60's theyre doin fine(Im Cuban, have family there). Force is the only thing morons like Sadamm and Qadaffi respond to. So the military does their job only to be criticized by a bunch of *****es who wont do anything to help themselves or anyone else.
and you may not be a democrat but you seem liberal as hell
I'm not buying the "we did it to help the Iraqis" excuse, not from you and particularly not from Bush and his band of sociopaths. Why?
There are more people in America that are living under the poverty line (uhm, about 31 million is the number I read) than there are people in Iraq *total* (26 miliion). If you're so keen on helping people, help your own countrymen first. If all Bush wants to do is love everyone and make them happy and all that BS, he's got a good 30 million people right under his nose, waiting for a helping hand that they have been denied since birth. It stands to reason that before you go all the way over to Iraq in order to liberate the poor hudled masses, you would maybe want to look into helping people in your own backyard. And since Bush has and is working for the interests of the elite since day one, that excuse for war is not really a valid one.
Also, and I hope you don't take it personally, you being a Cuban exile kind of explain your political beliefs. The Miami cuban exile community is notoriously right-wing (and among the most militant groups in the US).
Originally posted by aldo_14
I blame the politicians, not the troops. It's the job of the army to defend their country, but not to identify the threat... at the end of day they have no choice but to obey the politicians, because if they didn't, then they wouldn't be much of a defense.
Oh come on. Since when does being a soldier entail abdication of all thought. It is not only possible, but necessary, that soldiers be more than just mindless drones. This wouldn't at all lessen the effectiveness of the military, since it is the reason *why* they fight as opposed to *how* they fight. If the war is one where having an ignorant and indoctrinated military is necessary to fight it, its probably not legitimate in the first place and should not be fought.
Rest assured, standing army of no, if America were to be invaded, you would very quickly have a massive resistance with no help from the politicians. If an army is purely defensive, and it should be, than it does not need politicians to identify threats, it is very obvious when defence of your country is needed.
You can have all sorts of extenuiating circumstances (god, I feel like a lawyer), such as the fact that the army generally recruits from the poorer classes, that most people are heavily misinformed as to what the army is, that Hollywood has been on a systematic campaign of propaganda for many decades now, and those are all true, but in the end these are grown men and women we are talking about, no younger than myself. They have access to all the same sources information as I do, and so they are responsible for their own beliefs.