[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Liberator


explain

aldo, the problem I have is that they don't think that far ahead.  They wouldn't have to risk an abortion if they actually thought about the act instead of going with the instinct to **** their brains out.

what's wrong with having sex for non-procreational purposes, given that it is - as you say - a base instinct.  Much like eating, sleeping and going to the toilet,  may I add.

[vyper]

[q]what's wrong with having sex for non-pocreational purposes[/q]

Absolutely nothing.

[Deepblue]

Desperate? No, but according to your logic the comotose person is not an individual. If we do not think of the future, we will eventually destroy ourselves. We must ALWAYS think of the future.

[Ransom]

But people in a coma have had experiences, while foetuses haven't.

I agree that killing a foetus is bad and all, but the problem is I think it's worse to ruin the life of someone who is already living. It isn't fair for either side of this argument.

[Deepblue]

Nothing is fair. Thats the way the world works.

[aldo_14]

People in comas can also have their life support terminated depending on their current medical situation.

RE: deepblue; law deals in the truth, not what may happen.  That is the fundamental point of it.  Of course, making judgements on how a child will turn out at the early stages of foetal development could be seen as a step towards eugenics.

[Kazan]

Originally posted by Deepblue
Desperate? No, but according to your logic the comotose person is not an individual. If we do not think of the future, we will eventually destroy ourselves. We must ALWAYS think of the future.

if you think my logic dictates that, then your understanding of my logic is vague and incomplete

or more likely you're purposely ignoring various nuances to it

[vyper]

I wonder what would happen, if Deep accidentally ended up getting a girlfriend pregnant who was about to start a degree at uni. Would he argue she should be forced to go through a pregnancy she didn't seek, and lose many important options for her future due to raising the child?

I think he'd either be an ass (and get dumped might I add), or change his position very quickly. It's easy to make these judgements when you're not in the position of having to do the things you condem.

[Kazan]

no he'd argue that he would never get into such a situation (which is utter and complete bull****)

but if he did get into that situation he would argue that his girlfriend would dump all hope for her future and carry the baby

or even more likely he would say the following even less likely situation: she'd be able to raise a child and go to college simultaneously (which _can_ happen, but for every 1 girl that can do so 99 cannot)

[01010]

Pfft, everyone with brains knows that pregnancy is a fucking STD anyway. At least if you get AIDS you don't have to worry about feeding and clothing the damn germ.

[Kazan]

lol

oh BTW: Mongoose - i think the jews would be rather pissed at you for calling abortion a Holocaust - you're exploiting their suffering for your political gain, you bastard

[Liberator]

Help me understand something, it's okay for marriage partners to run around on each other before marriage and not after?

Perhaps you'll understand a more colloquial truism:  When you have sex with a person, you're also having sex with everybody else they've ever had sex with.

[vyper]

Perhaps you're generalizing. Let me clarify what we're defending:

Two young people, have relationship, end up having sex. Relationship ends eventually. End of story.

You seem to think having sex out of marriage must always be spur of the moment just-met-the-dirty-wee-whore-bag.

[01010]

Liberator. Me and my G/f have been together nearly four years, I have no plans to ever marry and yet I know I do not want anyone else, she is currently at university and neither of us had partners before meeting. If she got pregnant she would abort the child, we have discussed this, we are careful, we use contraceptives and also she is on the pill, here is my question:

Why should some piece of flesh that is nothing more than a few bundled cells with NOTHING human about it be allowed to ruin both mine and my G/F's lives if the contraception were to fail? Why is it that you christian fundamentalist ****wits demonise sex and view a child as PUNISHMENT for what you percieve to be a sin, when the bible tells you to be fruitful and multiply?

[Liberator]

Originally posted by vyper
Two young people, have relationship... Relationship ends eventually. End of story.

This is why you wait to have sex till you're married, the risks and consequences involved in having sex are too important to toss off while in search of "a good time".

[vyper]

[q]This is why you wait to have sex till you're married, the risks and consequences involved in having sex are too important to toss off while in search of "a good time".[/q]

erm... Toss off? Sorry, bad choice of words there man

You know it's purely about "in search of a good time". It's often about love, and you don't need to be married to truly love each other and have fun while doing so.

I just feel sorry for you, because you're missing out on so much really.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Liberator
Help me understand something, it's okay for marriage partners to run around on each other before marriage and not after?

Perhaps you'll understand a more colloquial truism:  When you have sex with a person, you're also having sex with everybody else they've ever had sex with.

no, when you have sex with someone you have sex with them.  You don't have  abloody great gangbang with everyone they've ever met (well, there's probably the odd exception).

So what is your point?

(nice touch to have the completely stupid-stroke-inane assumption that non-marital sex implies 'slut')

And, in case you're not aware of this whole area, fidelity( & love ) doesn't require a ring.

[01010]

I still want Lib to answer my question.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by 01010
I still want Lib to answer my question.

It's probably beyond his comprehension that people can stay together without being shackled at the altar.

[Liberator]

01010: I apologize for not replying to the question, I didn't see it.  Most likely because it was overrun as I was perusing other threads.

I'll put it as simple as I possibly can.

If a couple love each other that much then:

A)They can wait to have sex till they get married
B)They shouldn't have a problem getting married and publically declaring their feelings for each other.

If the couple can't wait, well you pays your money, you takes your chances as the saying goes.

If they are too young to marry legally, they are too young to be having sex and risking pregnancy and, as Kaz is fond of pointing out, Sexually Transmitted Diseases.

01010, if your GF did get pregnant and subsequently got an abortion it would be an act solely for her(and your) convenience of not having to care for a child.