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Offline Taristin

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Reply #20 on: November 04, 2004, 12:17:11 pm
Oh, it'll cause a power vacuum...
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Reply #21 on: November 04, 2004, 12:30:39 pm
And not just a Hoover vacuum, think Dyson kind of scale...
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Reply #22 on: November 04, 2004, 12:34:19 pm
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He's a world leader... nuff said ;)


He's a Terrorist Leader, we're better off without him.  Arafat has been the major stumbling block for some kind of peace in Israel.
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Reply #23 on: November 04, 2004, 12:47:35 pm
for once i actually (mostly) agree with liberator
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Reply #24 on: November 04, 2004, 12:52:33 pm
How about some kind of peace in Palestine? :lol:
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Reply #25 on: November 04, 2004, 01:18:27 pm
I think Sharon is a major stumbling block, m'self...
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Reply #26 on: November 04, 2004, 01:33:47 pm
/me agree with Raa.
Both were anti-peace anyway. As for Arafat, he's in a state of cerebral death, meaning that the only thing that lets him cling to life are machines, as the brain has irreversably ceased activity.
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Reply #27 on: November 04, 2004, 01:35:29 pm
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I think Sharon is a major stumbling block, m'self...


Well, let's see about that.

Didn't Sharon offer 95% of what they were asking for one time and Arafat turned him down?
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Reply #28 on: November 04, 2004, 01:35:59 pm
Merging of the arafat coma/death thread, admin ?
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Reply #29 on: November 04, 2004, 03:09:21 pm
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Well, let's see about that.

Didn't Sharon offer 95% of what they were asking for one time and Arafat turned him down?


Buggered if I know, from the way I read things, it seems like both sides have offered each other so much they should be the cosiest couple of nations on the planet ;)
 

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Reply #30 on: November 04, 2004, 03:11:00 pm
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Well, let's see about that.

Didn't Sharon offer 95% of what they were asking for one time and Arafat turned him down?


That was Ehud Barak. Sharon merely decided to evacuate the Gaza Strip. :doubt:
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Reply #31 on: November 04, 2004, 03:13:28 pm
Peace isn't painless I'm afraid :(

You give, they give, you give, they give, that's the only way to achieve it.

Someone had to make the first move. I watch with interest to see what the second move will be.
 

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Reply #32 on: November 04, 2004, 03:52:40 pm
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Someone had to make the first move. I watch with interest to see what the second move will be.


Heh, I think Arafat just played that move.
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Reply #33 on: November 04, 2004, 04:00:47 pm
Oh boy, this isn't going to be good.
No other Palestinian leader, whether it be from the PA, Fatah or Hamas, commands the kids of respect that Arafat does. He's a uniting force, plain a simple,

He may not be Ghandi, but the way I see it, if it wasn't for him, the Palestinian cause would be in far worse shape that it is now. For the time being, all the factions are putting up a united front, but that may not last long.

Sandwich: You know as well as anyone that all the settlements being pulled out of Gaza will be relocated in the Wesr Bank, with several additions, further dividing up the Palestinian lands into isolated cantons. Give $10, take 20.

That is, if Sharon can pull it off without starting a civil war. The way I hear it, the Rabbis, settlers and right-wingers are none to happy, and the military is divided on the issue. Its funny how refusing to evacuate settlers is considered a legitimate moral reason for disobeying orders, while refusing to participate in IDF suppression in the territories isn't.
 

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Reply #34 on: November 04, 2004, 04:25:05 pm
Irgun, Stern Gang, Hamas, Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades. Anyone not a terrorist in the Middle East?
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Reply #35 on: November 04, 2004, 04:35:05 pm
Well, to be fair, Irgun and their kind are history by now, though you have the IDF to take their place.

as for who isn't a terrorist...well, I guess the Bedouins haven't started any **** lately...though maybe that just means that once it comes, its going to be big. :nervous: :nervous:
 

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Reply #36 on: November 04, 2004, 05:11:56 pm
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Peace isn't painless I'm afraid :(

You give, they give, you give, they give, that's the only way to achieve it.


Umm, no.  The only way to acheive a lasting peace is to utterly destroy the opposition some how.  To acquiece is to show a weakness that can be exploited by the opposition.
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Many names, but always me.

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Reply #37 on: November 04, 2004, 05:24:24 pm
You can't be serious?
If people stuck to that little bit of widom, there would be no human race.

And in any case, do you think you can every defeat those who oppose the US and Israel through force of arms? News flash, there are a billion and a half Muslims on the planet, and more are being born every day. For every one you kill, 10 will take their place. That is, until you address the underlying issues that are the root of their animosity. Besides, you (you as a nation, not you personally) don't exactly have the moral high ground from which to preach.

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Reply #38 on: November 04, 2004, 05:27:40 pm
Did I say force of arms?  No.  I said "some how".  It could be cultural integration, economic domination or any number of other "non-violent" ways.

Mankind is primarily a predatory species, thus our fascination with warfare and violence in general.  We don't play well with each other unless united by some outside force.
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Many names, but always me.

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Reply #39 on: November 04, 2004, 05:28:37 pm
To totally anhialate those who would stand against you, in this case, would not be victory, it would be genocide :(

Ah, you've already answered that :)

I think mankind always thinks of itself as units of '1', it's a dichotomy of human nature, we are, by instinct, a tribal race, and yet possesed of a notion of 'I' which will often over-ride the notion of 'Tribe'. This is very rare in any animal that exists in groups.
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