[MeekGeek]

I like the 'chunkiness' of the Pillar of Autumn...but ...yes...those fighters are LAME!

[Roanoke]

yeah the Long Swords and PoA are kinda uninspiring.

[SKYNET-011]

I myself found the original halo annoying in parts. But it's still a fine game.

Halo 2 kicks serious ass. It's everything the first should have been.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Originally posted by Grimloq
halo made up very little on its own. most of the vehicles were total ripoffs from UT2004, and several of the weapons too. allow me to demonstrate:

pistol = enforcer
assault rifle = er, assault rifle  >.<  though the halo one, i must admit, is kinda cool
sniper rifle = sniper rifle, though thats a generic weapon, so i cant blem em unfortunately
rocket launcher = rocket launcher from james bond: goldeneye (N64, i think)
shotgun = flak cannon

and so on.

plus, the gameplay is sloppy and unbalanced, and the weapons are horribly degraded from what they took from it.

plus, the 'pillar of autumn' is terribly underdetailed and werid looking o.O

plus, i just hate halo. the storyline seems to be ununderstandable, as everyone ive ever asked about it says it has a totally different one. and level design leaves something to be desired.

however, i WILL give halo 2 a chance before i start bashing that a lot more. though i dont know how i can ever like it at all.

you must admit, those reasons are pretty good.

also, they cheated by making it available on the XBOX, which is so popular its literally unbelevable.


uh, to be honest i didnt think of that go ahead, laugh...

[edit] oh, and sorry for flaming. i got carried away. *is under of stress and is feelin very hostile to the world*

No, I must admit, those reasons are bull.

The Shotgun, Rocket Launcher, Assault rifle, and pistol are all rip-offs because similar weapons have been featured in other games? LMFAO. So what, you expect the your entire weapon choice to consist of a rock and a stick? Oh, wait, going by your logic, yes, that would be a rip-off, because other games have rocks and sticks in them.

BTW, the idea of a shotgun precedes the idea of a 'flak cannon' IIRC.

Sloppy and unbalanced? How the hell is that? 'Point and shoot and don't get hit too many times. The basic premise of virtually all FPS games.

From what I've seen and heard, the general consensus is that the PoA is an interesting and fairly original design, a far cry from your statement.

Well, if you hate Halo, thats your entitled opinion . Level design in Halo, though, I can agree on. It got rather repetitive in regards to scenery. Halo 2, however, isn't so bad in that regard.

AFAIK, XBox is universally hated by a majority of PC gamers. But even so, that is just plain idiotic. The Popularity of the Platform the game is released on has NO BEARING on the quality of the Game itself.

[Swamp_Thing]

Regarding HALO 2, and X-Box, read this:
http://www.megagames.com/news/html/console/mscracksdownonmoddedxboxconsoles.shtml

HALO 2 is a trojan, so beware. Even if i had a X-Box, i would still wait for the PC version. Consoles are lame for FPS.

[Roanoke]

um, "Goldeneye", Swampy ?

sheesh, how short is your memory ?

[Grimloq]

Originally posted by Jetmech Jr.
So what, you expect the your entire weapon choice to consist of a rock and a stick? Oh, wait, going by your logic, yes, that would be a rip-off, because other games have rocks and sticks in them.

Sloppy and unbalanced? How the hell is that? 'Point and shoot and don't get hit too many times. The basic premise of virtually all FPS games.

From what I've seen and heard, the general consensus is that the PoA is an interesting and fairly original design, a far cry from your statement.

AFAIK, XBox is universally hated by a majority of PC gamers. But even so, that is just plain idiotic. The Popularity of the Platform the game is released on has NO BEARING on the quality of the Game itself.

1st paragraph: well, yes, going by my logic, that would be a rip off, wouldnt it... but thats not my point

2nd paragraph: its always either enemy swarm or empty, boring room after room. ive played a bunch of SP before i got bored and quit for the day.

3rd paragraph: i dont like the PoA, thats my opinion. plus, i didnt get a long look at it. im pretty reasonable, so ill edit my opinion if someone gets a picture of it... but i only remember this big flying block with a bridge sticking out.

4th paragraph: i didnt say it did i only said that they cheated. then again, its marketing, and marketing is cheating kinda, isnt it? anywho, im done arguing. youre turn

BTW, multiplayer is semi-fun in #1, i just dont like it much anyhow.

[Swamp_Thing]

Originally posted by Roanoke
um, "Goldeneye", Swampy ?

sheesh, how short is your memory ?

[Jetmech Jr.]

Originally posted by Grimloq


1st paragraph: well, yes, going by my logic, that would be a rip off, wouldnt it... but thats not my point

2nd paragraph: its always either enemy swarm or empty, boring room after room. ive played a bunch of SP before i got bored and quit for the day.

3rd paragraph: i dont like the PoA, thats my opinion. plus, i didnt get a long look at it. im pretty reasonable, so ill edit my opinion if someone gets a picture of it... but i only remember this big flying block with a bridge sticking out.

4th paragraph: i didnt say it did i only said that they cheated. then again, its marketing, and marketing is cheating kinda, isnt it? anywho, im done arguing. youre turn

BTW, multiplayer is semi-fun in #1, i just dont like it much anyhow.

You stated that Halo was bad because it had those weapons, which you claimed were 'rip-offs' of Unreal Tournament, which is very silly. There is no way that they did that in Halo. Oh, and that was your point as far as I can tell, since you bothered to put it down as one of your reasons.

Action oriented games are often like that, particularly FPS games. The fun comes from getting that damned lucky shot with the pistol, or pinning 3 P-grenades to 3 elites and watching them blow the hell outta the 5 or so grunts surrounding them, or better yet, fleshing out Halo's (IMO) awesome story. Or Multiplayer, Halo's real strongpoint.

Here ya go:



I assumed you were saying that because it came out on XBox, it was bad/cheap.

[Striker]

In all honesty, the weapons were some of the most original I've seen. How can you expect a humanity (taking for granted the use of projectiles is still the main thing) to NOT have an assault rifle, pistol, sniper rifle, shotgun, and rocket launcher? What other choice do they have? Covenant weapons are what you'd expect from aliens, but the plasma sword, fuel rod gun, and the needler are all really nice ideas. And how can you say that they rip off of UT2004 when Halo came out BEFORE UT2004. And dont tell me they've had it on UT cuz I play that literally daily at school and the weapons are unique from Halo.

Perhaps the people you asked about the story line are the kind of people that buy the game just because all of us geeks (damn proud of it) say its awesome? Maybe they dont even get the story. I've only played Halo 1 and never read the books or played Halo 2 and trust me, I get it.

And about the PoA. Are you expecting it to be real perdy like a Vasudan ship or something? It's the kind of industrial feeling I'd expect, especially considering that they are still using projectiles  and therefore not at that higher level of technology as say, Star Wars. I personally find the PoA to be quite fitting with the other vehicles and the general feel of the Halo humans.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

[Grimloq]

Originally posted by Jetmech Jr.
Here ya go:

ok, i guess i was thinking of the wrong ship... thats awesome...

In all honesty, the weapons were some of the most original I've seen. How can you expect a humanity (taking for granted the use of projectiles is still the main thing) to NOT have an assault rifle, pistol, sniper rifle, shotgun, and rocket launcher? What other choice do they have? Covenant weapons are what you'd expect from aliens, but the plasma sword, fuel rod gun, and the needler are all really nice ideas. And how can you say that they rip off of UT2004 when Halo came out BEFORE UT2004. And dont tell me they've had it on UT cuz I play that literally daily at school and the weapons are unique from Halo.

i didnt say the covenant weapons were stolen/unoriginal!

UT came out after...? hmm.... to my knowledge, it came out much before... oh well, then by my logic, UT stold some of the weapons, were it not for jetmechs point that theyre all pretty generic... dammit, i was wrong! lol

oh well, i still think the weapons are too powerful for good balance, but meh, i guess this argument is over.

*grabs striker's 2 cents and runs*

[edit] *hides 2 cents and comes back*

oh, and can i see some of the other ships?

*runs away again*

[Swamp_Thing]

Does anyone have a shot of the PoA from the back, so i can see the engine section? I might give it a try, modeling it.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Striker
In all honesty, the weapons were some of the most original I've seen. How can you expect a humanity (taking for granted the use of projectiles is still the main thing) to NOT have an assault rifle, pistol, sniper rifle, shotgun, and rocket launcher? What other choice do they have? Covenant weapons are what you'd expect from aliens, but the plasma sword, fuel rod gun, and the needler are all really nice ideas.

I have to admit I thought the weapons in Halo were very dissapointing.  The pistol was about the only one I found interesting or useful, simply because it was nicely balanced due to the scope.

NB: it's probably worth pointing out that the reason many Pc owners will not rank Halo so highly as a)because it's not all that original compared to the myriad of other FPS' on the PC and b)it was a god-awful conversion job.

[Ransom]

I just didn't like the story. The books were great, but what was in the game was just, well, boring. That and the levels seemed to have been copy/pasted all over the place.

As far as an FS2 mod goes though, I think it could work. The Pillar of Autumn looks pretty neat, at least.

[MeekGeek]

Cam anyone post some pics of the Covenant Capships? I don't think I have ever seen one!

The cutscenes at the start of the game don't have them, and neither does the manual...I played through the start bits again just to see

[Singh]

now that Halo 2 has come out...any hopes of getting covenent cap-ships out of that?

[an0n]

I was about to suggest that.

If someone can find out how to go about it, I could probably rip them outta my copy and put them up somewhere for people to convert to FS.

[Striker]

I actually played Halo on PC and still loved it. I don't know why but it's just so unique to me at least. And there was Unreal Tournament long before Halo, but Grimloq was saying they ripped off of UT2004, which came out after Halo. Halo is awesome because its the first console game of its kind; with the multiplayer experience that rivals our Counter Strike. Halo introduced me to vehicular manslaughter, which was incredibly helpful once I got Vice City. But Daishiknite (he's on the Stargate: Earth's Defense team and a friend of mine) knows anything there is to know for Halo, and I'm sure he'd like to help with this. I have no modding skills whatsoever and Real LifeTM is a ***** so...yeah. I wish I could do more other than argue. I recall seing the PoA engines somewhere...but maybe I'm thinking of something else. I dont have an Xbox (yet) so I can't be too much help.

[Grimloq]

hmm... i distinctly remember learnign about 'some new game called "halo"' long after UT2004 came out.... meh, whatever. they DID ripoff the pistol though, and noone can change my mind about that. how dare they swipe my beloved enforcer! lol

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Grimloq
hmm... i distinctly remember learnign about 'some new game called "halo"' long after UT2004 came out.... meh, whatever. they DID ripoff the pistol though, and noone can change my mind about that. how dare they swipe my beloved enforcer! lol

Halo was released in something like 2002 IIRC.  Before UT2003, I think.