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Offline redmenace

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on: November 16, 2004, 07:01:39 pm
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-boyscouts16.html
Are the boy scouts actually considered a threat. I mean accordfing to the ACLU, anything that considers the word GOD in it is exclusionary. :wtf:

This is also another example of why Bush was elected. Believe it or not. Christians feel threatened.
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Offline icespeed

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Reply #1 on: November 16, 2004, 07:06:54 pm
yeah okay, this reminds me of that other lawsuit where someone didnt want their kid to say the pledge of allegiance (or something) because it involved God, which he didnt believe in.
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When I graduate, I'm going to be a doctor, and people are going to come to me looking for treatment and prescription drugs, and I'm going to give it to them. Is anyone scared yet?

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Reply #2 on: November 16, 2004, 07:07:01 pm
Well, whilst I agree that this is sort of like shooting a puppy because you are 40,000 in debt. Why should the Boy Scouts be a 'God only' club. In doing so, it almost becomes a religious entity.

I know the founder would not approve of it. But then, I'm not sure how he'd feel about children being excluded either. :(
 

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Reply #3 on: November 16, 2004, 07:07:54 pm
the government cannot give money to them because of that - it's the government maintaining NEUTRALITY
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Reply #4 on: November 16, 2004, 07:15:05 pm
They allow them to use the facilities also. But I mean at this point it is getting ridiculous. I mean honestly. THE BOY SCOUTS DO NOT DESERVE THIS. They have always helped the needy, been there for people in the community, inspired values such as honor and dignity in young boys. What have they done wrong.
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Reply #5 on: November 16, 2004, 07:25:30 pm
excluding people because of religion is wrong, and I as a swedish scout do not approve of that. I see the pentagons decision as just. they can get sponsoring from other sources, preferrably non-military ones.
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Reply #6 on: November 16, 2004, 07:28:55 pm
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Originally posted by Flipside
I know the founder would not approve of it. But then, I'm not sure how he'd feel about children being excluded either. :(


I'm quite sure BP would disapprove. There's a difference between nurturing a christian view on morals and swearing an oath to said deity. Scouting is supposed to be for everyone, regardless of skin color, nationality, handicaps or religion.
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Offline Kazan

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Reply #7 on: November 16, 2004, 07:31:27 pm
the BSA makes you swear to a deity - that make it so they cannot receive government money since it makes them into a religious organization


all the scout troups i'e seen have been HIGHLY religiously exclusionatory
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Offline redmenace

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Reply #8 on: November 16, 2004, 07:33:45 pm
The oath states no specific diety.
I just find it disturbing that the boyscouts would be targeted.
I mean they[ACLU] are trying to be forced out of state parks, now off of military bases. Where will it end?
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Offline icespeed

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Reply #9 on: November 16, 2004, 07:36:44 pm
exactly; isn't it discriminatory to assume an unspecified deity is automatically the christian God?
$quot;Let your light shine before men...$quot;
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When I graduate, I'm going to be a doctor, and people are going to come to me looking for treatment and prescription drugs, and I'm going to give it to them. Is anyone scared yet?

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Offline Kazan

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Reply #10 on: November 16, 2004, 07:37:05 pm
the oath mentions A deity though

neutrality means no mention of diety/deities or lack thereof

where will it end? WHEN GOVERNMENT NEUTRALITY IS ENFORCED

The ALCU is just forcing the government to uphold the constitution - if the BSA doesn't like it they can stop being a god-club
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Reply #11 on: November 16, 2004, 07:37:50 pm
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Originally posted by icespeed
exactly; isn't it discriminatory to assume an unspecified deity is automatically the christian God?


A) it's understood to be the christian god (ie it's a very safe assumption)

B) IT doesn't matter if it's the christian god - it's A GOD and that's descriminatory against atheists/agnostics
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Offline Shrike

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Reply #12 on: November 16, 2004, 07:38:13 pm
Can I swear allegiance to the Blind Watchmaker or the Invisible Hand?
WE ARE HARD LIGHT PRODUCTIONS. YOU WILL LOWER YOUR FIREWALLS AND SURRENDER YOUR KEYBOARDS. WE WILL ADD YOUR INTELLECTUAL AND VERNACULAR DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR OWN. YOUR FORUMS WILL ADAPT TO SERVICE US. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.
 

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Reply #13 on: November 16, 2004, 07:39:48 pm
look this is just getting stupid, if you don't believe in God why can't you just hold a superior attitude towards those superstitious primitives who do instead of making a huge childish fuss about it?
$quot;Let your light shine before men...$quot;
Matthew 5:16

When I graduate, I'm going to be a doctor, and people are going to come to me looking for treatment and prescription drugs, and I'm going to give it to them. Is anyone scared yet?

$quot;If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord', and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.$quot; Romans 10:9
 

Offline redmenace

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Reply #14 on: November 16, 2004, 07:41:44 pm
It is the boyscouts, you think the ACLU would have more important things to do than sue over that fact that scout troups receive gov't money and use military facilities. I mean literally, how much money does it take....
What I am getting at is an itinerary at the ACLU, something sinister.
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Offline icespeed

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Reply #15 on: November 16, 2004, 07:44:00 pm
by the way, what's the point of ACLU? i mean what's their mission in life?
$quot;Let your light shine before men...$quot;
Matthew 5:16

When I graduate, I'm going to be a doctor, and people are going to come to me looking for treatment and prescription drugs, and I'm going to give it to them. Is anyone scared yet?

$quot;If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord', and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.$quot; Romans 10:9
 

Offline Kazan

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Reply #16 on: November 16, 2004, 07:45:23 pm
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Originally posted by icespeed
look this is just getting stupid, if you don't believe in God why can't you just hold a superior attitude towards those superstitious primitives who do instead of making a huge childish fuss about it?


demanding that our rights are respected is a "huge childish fuss" apparently
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Reply #17 on: November 16, 2004, 07:46:51 pm
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Originally posted by icespeed
by the way, what's the point of ACLU? i mean what's their mission in life?


making sure the constitution is followed
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Offline Kazan

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Reply #18 on: November 16, 2004, 07:47:58 pm
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Originally posted by redmenace
It is the boyscouts, you think the ACLU would have more important things to do...


false dilemma
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Offline Grey Wolf

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Reply #19 on: November 16, 2004, 07:51:26 pm
That would make far too much sense, icespeed.

On a side note, why can't people just get a life? Well, at least it's not as bad as the guy who went through the entire Scouts program, then balked and made a fuss immediately before getting his Eagle rank...
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