[Kazan]

redmenace: WRONG

they're a private organization - they don't have to change

but as long as they descriminate based upon religion they cannot be government funded


only naive theocratists argue against the establishment clause - it protects your asses as well as ours

GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

1st you need to remember to quote the ENTIRE DAMN CLAUSE

Part of the people who started this country fled from religious persecution - undermining the establishment clause is perpetrating religious persecution!

[Liberator]

Eh? Because...oh, sod it all:

[Petrarch of the VBB]

And why not?

[redmenace]

kazan:WRONG

The founding fathers fled because of a SECT, being that of the anglican church. I already established this earlier. READ MY POSTS. The purpose of the "establishment clause" is the prevention of any one religion or sect from overpowering or having the CONGRESS compell people to join.
GET THIS THROUGH YOUR SKULL. I AM NOT A THEOCRAT. HOWEVER, I DON'T INTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION THE WAY YOU DO. I don't have a problem with the 1st admendment, just the way it is interpreted.

"The people feared one sect might obtain a preeminence, or two combine together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to conform." --James Madison Commenting on the First Admendment

Part of the people who started this country fled from religious persecution - undermining the establishment clause is perpetrating religious persecution!

OH NO, those boyscout scum are commiting religous attrocities while on gov't property with gov't money. I had no idea that helping people in need was dangerous. BOY!

[redmenace]

Originally posted by Liberator

Actually did you know they are stoned 24/7?

[vyper]

Alright guys this is going over the top.

[redmenace]

The pissy debate between me and kazan(I am sure kazan has sent me several IMs about it at home.)

or

the koalas. But they're so cute.

Sorry about your parking ticket at Iowa State, parking services usually are money grabbing pain in the ass(usually private organizations)

[Kazan]

listen here asshole redmenace

YOU'RE ADVOCATING THE SUPRESSION OF MY RIGHTS

SINCE IT'S OK FOR YOU TO VIOLATE MY RIGHTS HOW ABOUT I VIOLATE YOURS - I'LL COME DOWN THERE AND VIOLATE YOUR RIGHT TO BODILY INTEGRITY

ASSHOLE THEOCRATIC PIECE OF ****

[redmenace]

Threatening physical violence never proves anything.

Therefore, you have just stepped over the line. This discussion is over.

[vyper]

You know Kazan it's moments like this that give liberals a bad name. And you're infringing my chances of one day having the very right you speak of protected by making our case in such a arse up manner.

****it, bring on the Koalas.

[Petrarch of the VBB]

Originally posted by Kazan
listen here asshole redmenace

YOU'RE ADVOCATING THE SUPRESSION OF MY RIGHTS

SINCE IT'S OK FOR YOU TO VIOLATE MY RIGHTS HOW ABOUT I VIOLATE YOURS - I'LL COME DOWN THERE AND VIOLATE YOUR RIGHT TO BODILY INTEGRITY

ASSHOLE THEOCRATIC PIECE OF ****

So in one thread you strive for a peaceful debate, and in another you go around yelling and insulting people.

You're a cunt.

[Kazan]

this discussion is not over


Petrarch: Yes I'm the **** - i'm the one advocating peoples rights be violated


redmenace

i was making a point
you're just such an asshole that you don't understand the point

[size=24]JUSTIFY YOUR ADVOCATING THE VIOLATION OF MY RIGHTS[/size]

[Petrarch of the VBB]

Wow! All these years I've been thinking that reasonable arguments, evidence, and logic added some weight to what you say, when it's actually obnoxiously large letters that do it!

Well knock me down with a feather!

[Kazan]

Petrarch: i've tried being reasonable, providing evidence and logic -
i've presented the unquestionable correct legal position

and yet redmenace still insists that he gets to violate my rights

[redmenace]

Continueing to argue will only result in this thread being locked and one or both of us being banned.

[Petrarch of the VBB]

Originally posted by Kazan
Petrarch: i've tried being reasonable, providing evidence and logic -
i've presented the unquestionable correct legal position

and yet redmenace still insists that he gets to violate my rights

And being obnoxious will help in what way?

[Kazan]

sure it will - run! run away from the responsibility of what you're advocating!


run away from the responsibility of advocating telling 1 in 10 americans that they're second class citizens and their rights don't have to be respected!

[Petrarch of the VBB]

Originally posted by redmenace
Continueing to argue will only result in this thread being locked and one or both of us being banned.

Don't worry, it won't be you.

[Kazan]

Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB


And being obnoxious will help in what way?

by calming me down so i can resume reasoned discussion


i don't take lighty to being told that me alone with 1 in 10 americans are second class citizens and that our rights don't have to be respected

[Petrarch of the VBB]

Originally posted by Kazan
by calming me down so i can resume reasoned discussion

Well take it out on something else, rather than making a twat of yourself here.