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Offline Singh

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true.

But if you let people be happy and give them freedom, they'll eventually step on each other's toes and end up making each other Unhappy and restrict the freedom.......
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Offline aldo_14

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true.

But if you let people be happy and give them freedom, they'll eventually step on each other's toes and end up making each other Unhappy and restrict the freedom.......


But at least they'd be able to make that choice for themselves, not have it made.  I mean, if you want people to be free, you have to allow for the inevitablity they'll make bad decisions.

And, of course, how can you fairly make decisions on what is right for people, because any decision - and policy - you make is just as likely to be unfair or wrong as any other decision a person will make.

 

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And, of course, how can you fairly make decisions on what is right for people, because any decision - and policy - you make is just as likely to be unfair or wrong as any other decision a person will make.


I could if it ended up that what they considered 'right' ended up killing me instead. What is right or not goes out of hte window as soon as >2 people are involved in the matter, as it is in real life.

Freedom is good, I dont dispute that. But freedom of an individual may just overlap with the freedom of a group. Which would have priority in this case? the few? or the many?
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Offline Tiara

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Eh, Singh, here in Holland we've had this particlar freedom for some time now and we're quite content with it.
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Offline Singh

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Eh, Singh, here in Holland we've had this particlar freedom for some time now and we're quite content with it.


err..I believe the country in question is the US, where people seem to be taking there freedom a bit too seriously :P

Besides, doesn't Holland kinda have a small population as opposed to the US and other places? Its a lot easier to manage a small population as opposed to a large one.


Still, good point.

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Offline Tiara

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Besides, doesn't Holland kinda have a small population as opposed to the US and other places? Its a lot easier to manage a small population as opposed to a large one.

Holland is one of the most densely populated countries in western Europe IIRC.

EDIT: Actually, Holland is #25 on the world's most densely populated countries. The 24 above Holland are mostly 3rd world countries and the vatican :p
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Still, good point.

*concedes round to Tiara and Aldo.

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Offline aldo_14

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I could if it ended up that what they considered 'right' ended up killing me instead. What is right or not goes out of hte window as soon as >2 people are involved in the matter, as it is in real life.

Freedom is good, I dont dispute that. But freedom of an individual may just overlap with the freedom of a group. Which would have priority in this case? the few? or the many?


Well, usually it's not a hard decision IMO.  Societal needs are usually well-established as to what sort of thing will 'hurt' the many; often the group dynamic influences people not to do this anyways as a sort of social conditioning from birth... i.e. chivalry, giving your seat up to pregant women or the elderly on the bus, etc.

What i mean is, that society demands certain constraints on how we behave; usually legally enforced.  But usually these constraints are based on a clear definition of how said action does harm; in the case of divorce, it's not clear cut who a divorce harms, if anyone.  And it's also unclear as to what the consequences of not divorcing are; would the marriage stabilise, or collapse and destroy the husband and wife (and children)?

So I don't think that you can make a generalisation over how 'good' or 'bad' divorce is, and I don;t think it is possible to explicitly specify when divorce should be allowed, simply due to the variance of cases.  

And there are, after all, divorce courts for this sort of thing anyways.  So I'm not sure the discussion is about restricting divorce, more restricting access to it as an option; because said courts should already act as a check.

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I say one line and it's over. Just the way i like it! :D:p


Expert nagger, then?

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Offline Tiara

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Expert nagger, then?

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Holland is one of the most densely populated countries in western Europe IIRC.

EDIT: Actually, Holland is #25 on the world's most densely populated countries. The 24 above Holland are mostly 3rd world countries and the vatican :p


Its pretty dense from the look of it. How much is the actual population number though? If you dont mind me asking that is.

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Yeah, well im sleepy and cant think coherently either, so i'll wait till tomorrow before retorting :P
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Offline aldo_14

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Netherlands has a population of ~16,300,000 IIRC

 

Offline Tiara

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Netherlands has a population of ~16,300,000 IIRC

Yes;

Holland

Pop/km^2 = 393
Total area = 41,526 km^2
Total population = 16,318,199 per July 2004

America

Pop/km^2 = 29
Total area = 9,629,091 km^2
Total population = ~280,000,000

See the difference? :p
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Offline Singh

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Originally posted by Tiara

Yes;

Holland

Pop/km^2 = 393
Total area = 41,526 km^2
Total population = 16,318,199 per July 2004

America

Pop/km^2 = 29
Total area = 9,629,091 km^2
Total population = ~280,000,000

See the difference? :p


ok,ok I see it........
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Offline Tiara

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Fun fact for you since IIRC you come from India;

Holland is more densely populated then India which has ~318 ppl/km^2. And they have a fargin' 1,000,000,000+ population and increasing rapidly :p
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Offline Singh

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ok, i GOT it already. Dont have to drive it all the way home you know :P
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Offline Tiara

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ok, i GOT it already. Dont have to drive it all the way home you know :P

Good. I always make sure people know what I'm talking about. A side-effect of being a teacher perhaps :p
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Offline aldo_14

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Nag nag nag nag nag

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Nag nag nag nag nag

:nervous:


what he said.

*runs

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Offline Tiara

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:drevil:
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