[Bobboau]

I consiter facistic religious fanatic groups to be the greatest threat to the American way of life, be they the Islamo or Christo flavor.

[Kazan]

so do i

[.::Tin Can::.]

Well horray, the kids can finally get along.

As for the article, yeah, I think teenagers would stop madly ****ing and start thinking about waiting until you are legal again. Doesn't pay to have kids at age 14 now does it?

[Ford Prefect]

Kids are going to have sex no matter what people tell them. I think birth control education makes much more sense.

[.::Tin Can::.]

Then I say we cut off their joh... ah nevermind that wont work.

[Bobboau]

Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
I think teenagers would stop madly ****ing and start thinking about waiting until you are legal again. Doesn't pay to have kids at age 14 now does it?

so what's your point?
you think telling kids not to have sex in school is going to do a damned thing about it? remember how evvective all those anti-drug crap was on how you thought about the situation. not that you use drugs but did what happened to you in school have any bearing on that?

[Ford Prefect]

Actually, it just occured to me; schools really should be teaching proper masturbation techniques.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
Well horray, the kids can finally get along.

As for the article, yeah, I think teenagers would stop madly ****ing and start thinking about waiting until you are legal again. Doesn't pay to have kids at age 14 now does it?

There's a 13-14 year old girl at my Bro's school that has a baby. What does that tell you?

[Bobboau]

it tells me her parents are deadbeats

[.::Tin Can::.]

What he said.

And that basically they are two things:

1) Irrisponsible

2) ****ed

You cant support a kid at that age without parents. Good luck you whore on raising the child.

[Ford Prefect]

Well that's one of the reasons that people feel abortion should be an option: so kids, prone to making mistakes as they are, won't have to live with them.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Originally posted by Mongoose
 No matter what you believe, look at history:  the status of marriage in past societies has helped to determine the longevity and success of those societies.

nonsense.

Status of marriage in Ancient Egypt or Mesopotamia didn't save them, not even after being nearly the same for thousands of years.

Hell, marriage, for most people in the west, didn't change much (essentially being in the form of the extended family. The modern core family is exactly that: modern, almost entirely 20th century development) until about 100 à 200 years ago. And during that time those people and their decendents (namely us) built a civilisation that is unequaled in history.

no, these people have nothing else in mind than reducing freedom and as such gutting western civilisation. It's the same mentality that guides the fundamentalist muslims that destroying the Towers on 11/9.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.


He's got a point...

no he doesn't, or rather: it's incorrect. see previous post.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
What he said.

And that basically they are two things:

1) Irrisponsible

2) ****ed

You cant support a kid at that age without parents. Good luck you whore on raising the child.

Or maybe they are still too young to properly understand the consequences of unprotected sex, and require a more complete and detailed education?

[Clave]

those who say schools also should be teaching youths how to use contraceptives say Horn's argument ignores reality. Surveys indicate that roughly 50 percent of teens say they have sex before they leave high school. While the nation's teenage pregnancy rate is declining, young people 15 to 24 account for about half the new cases of sexually transmitted diseases in the United States each year.

No amount of preaching will overcome horny teenage biology....

[aldo_14]

I think their solution to this in the supposedly more 'moral' past was a) to force children into same sex boarding schools / exclude females from schooling and b) to have marriage between adult males and early-teenaged females (see Romeo & Juliet in particular; what the various films don't make clear is that Juliet was something like 15 in Shakespeares' play)

[Tiara]

These guys really need to get those very long and quite constipating sticks out of their arses  and take a good look around. Seriously, people look at Islamic countries because 'they force their beliefs on others', but in America its about just as bad at the moment.

For the umpteenth time, I'm so glad I live in Holland.

[Kazan]

Originally posted by Tiara
Seriously, people look at Islamic countries because 'they force their beliefs on others', but in America its about just as bad at the moment.

as an american i complete agree with this foreigners statement

[.::Tin Can::.]

No Kazan, he's not correct.

Do we force Americans to be christian? Catholic? Islamic? Whatever religions are present in America we arent forcing on anyone, and it's only by our free-religion policy that all of these actually exist.

I thought their job was to drag you to the streets and shoot you if you didn't concur with that they thought. I dont think we do that here.

[Kazan]

Tin Can: you are working on destroying that free-religion policy (freedom of religion MANDATE in the constitution - Seperation of Church and State)

When you legislate "moral issues" you're imposing your religion upon others

Prime examples of pushing your religion on others
A) "Under God" in pledge - I) violates non-religious individuals rights to free expression of religion II) violates non-christian individuals rights to free expression of religion [because it's understood that it's refering to the christian god]

B) "In God we Trust" on the money - See A-I and A-II

C) "Creation Science" in schools - See A-I, and A-II, I) This is not science it belongs in the Study of World Religions II) violates the rights of christian individuals not of the sect who's version of creation is being taught

D) Funding patently religious organizations ("Dept Faith-Baised Initatives") - See A-I, A-II, and C-I [only fundie chrisitan organzations have received money - making it qualify for C-I, and only christian organizations have made money making it qualify for A-II]


I could go on through the entire damn alpabet

I thought their job was to drag you to the streets and shoot you if you didn't concur with that they thought. I dont think we do that here.

you don't have to be so blatant about things to still be violation peoples free expression of religion

not literally - but metaphorically we do -- and if we continue down this road we will literally be doing this