[Ace]

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/041128/1/3ovex.html

Another step forward for medicine.

[IceFire]

Awesome.  No need to throw away that cord anymore...its a recycling sort of thing.  I like it.

[Kazan]

best stem cells are still embyrionic

[IceFire]

Originally posted by Kazan
best stem cells are still embyrionic

Still...take em where you can get them.

Sounds like these cells have their advantages too.

[Deepblue]

And you don't have to kill babies to get them.

What...

[Bobboau]

before this explodes.

embryonic stem cells are beleived to be a better option becase they can become any sort of tisue you may want adult stem cells have had more research done on them and we know how to manipulate them better but it is beleived that emryonic ones may be more versitile and lead to more and better cures, we don't know yet, this is why we want to do research.

[Turnsky]

score one for medical science.

[Liberator]

Funny thing about embryonic stem cells is that most of the rats they've been using to experiment with have been getting cancers of various type and dying.

[Saturn2004]

hey this is a  pretty  interesting  tid bit of  news...
but i thought  embyrionic stem  cell  research was outlawed and  banned  mr bush

[Kazan]

Originally posted by Liberator
Funny thing about embryonic stem cells is that most of the rats they've been using to experiment with have been getting cancers of various type and dying.

and if you actually looked to find out why you'd know this is president bush's fault for imposing that limit to "already established lines"

those "already established lines" are of low quality - and the longer they're around the more contaiminated they become with xenomes - so stuff like this happens and it destroys the ability to do research

furthermore when it's not due to the low quality of the lines it tells them things NOT do to: you learn best from failure

[Bobboau]

well he said rats, I don't think the ban extended to rodent cells. but such a vauge statement can could mean anything.
the thing about this I don't get is if embrionic stem cells are useless as they are proposed by some to be, then why ban research on them? all doing reasearch on them would do is make us leave of our own free will without any fus.
meanwhile our medical industry is getting left behind while other nations are alowed to do research getting an edge on the market we may never be able to recupe from.

[Kazan]

that's not the only thing we're getting left behind at

all sciences are suffering in the united states

[Liberator]

Kazan, we are not gonna do this again.  

You cannot berate people for upholding their ethics.  Even if you disagree with them for whatever caca reason you've come up with.

You're biggest problem Kazan isn't that you don't think, but that you're not introspective enough to realize that you are guilty of what you accuse us of.  Christians won't force their faith on you.  You however are forcing you're point of view on us.  Is that fair in any way?  Yes we could go about thing a different way, but we have more on our minds than whether or not some perverts sexual desires are satisfied.  

I know you don't believe in any sort of spirituality and that's fine.  

But I also know that there is more to our life experience in this universe than the infinitesial span of time between birth and physical death.  Be it eternity as an ephemeral wraith, reincarnation or an eternal reward in either heaven or hell, we are far more than the sum of our parts.  I feel it in the blackest darkest pit of my soul.

The President believes that abortion is murder.  Any decisions he makes concerning materials involved in that act procede from that belief.

Now DROP IT!  Or you'll be sorry...

[Krackers87]

But christians are forcing their opinions on the rest of us, by saying abortoin should be banned for all people, and stem cells should not be resarched for anyones benefit, or that gays should not marry. When those of us who support the choice are not enforcing our opinions on others, merely allowing them an option meaning that those who dont want to have abortions dont have to get them. Yet christians are making it so that people who do not believe in the same religion still have to abide to the same laws, which is in every way and form ignorant and egotistical and bull headed.

[Liberator]

Christians believe that it(abortion) is murder.  One that it is in our power to prevent, so we are duty bound to prevent it.

[Knight Templar]

Ethics are for fags.


*runs*

[Krackers87]

Originally posted by Liberator
Christians believe that it(abortion) is murder.  One that it is in our power to prevent, so we are duty bound to prevent it.

And in that sense, take their ethics and push it on others, why dont you prevent it by not having them, instead of keeping everyone from having them? Oh never mind, sily me,  should realize how futile it would be to convine you guys to stop forcing your ideas on others, who am i to stop 2000+ years of hard work.

[Knight Templar]

Oh, on a side note: Can I get a "woo woo" for eymbilical cords?

[Krackers87]

Woo Woo!

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Liberator
Christians believe that it(abortion) is murder.  One that it is in our power to prevent, so we are duty bound to prevent it.

And what the hell has that got to do with how the rest of us live our lives?