[Flipside]

Hmmmmmmmmm... I seem to recall a thread not too long ago about how detatching funding from the Scouts was right because they refused to stop swearing alleigance to God. Which was the right thing to do.

I suppose this is one of those horrid horrid situations that, for want of a better word 'liberals' (and I include myself in that bracket) absolutely dread. We have to allow for freedom of view, even if that view if that view is totally negative to our own beliefs.

If you cannot be a soldier because you are gay, that is not the fault of those who are at school with you, are not gay, and who wish to join the army. The danger to civil rights lay in the Power not in People.

While I can understand this as a protest against those very rules, It seems to me that restructing options to those who would choose it, even as a kind of Academic 'Natural Selection' is not promoting freedom of expression or choice, it's just a kickback.

I suppose the Righteous thing to do is exactly what has been done, but I find myself wondering what the Right thing to do would be?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Flipside
Hmmmmmmmmm... I seem to recall a thread not too long ago about how detatching funding from the Scouts was right because they refused to stop swearing alleigance to God. Which was the right thing to do.

I suppose this is one of those horrid horrid situations that, for want of a better word 'liberals' (and I include myself in that bracket) absolutely dread. We have to allow for freedom of view, even if that view if that view is totally negative to our own beliefs.

If you cannot be a soldier because you are gay, that is not the fault of those who are at school with you, are not gay, and who wish to join the army. The danger to civil rights lay in the Power not in People.

While I can understand this as a protest against those very rules, It seems to me that restructing options to those who would choose it, even as a kind of Academic 'Natural Selection' is not promoting freedom of expression or choice, it's just a kickback.

I suppose the Righteous thing to do is exactly what has been done, but I find myself wondering what the Right thing to do would be?

The right thing?  Probably not to cut any funding, and restrict the military to recruiting (in school) at the same time as other organisations do.  If the US government feels schools have to be used for some sort of federal recruiting tank, then at least make sure the military isn't the only public body recruiting.  As it stands it looks almost like a shoddy attempt to emotionally press-gang students.

From what I can tell, the 'military' is not giving extra funding, etc, to be allowed into schools; funding is being removed if the military is now allowed in. i.e. 'let the military in or you lose your funding'.

[Flipside]

True enough, I do understand it as a protest vote.  If the government is working against discrimination for race and religion they should be working equally hard for all civil liberties.

However, I still don't see any of the people who are responsible for this state of affairs suffering in any way from losing what applicants they would gain from a liberal Law school. It is a very proud and noble thing to do, and speaks volumes of the nobleness of human spirit et al, but it achieves bugger all.

The right thing to do would have been to continue to allow these people the right to recruit, whilst equally exercising your right not to volunteer. You could even make an issue of the fact that you are doing so in the name of Liberalism and make yourself a martyr. Same press, more funding

[Bobboau]

Originally posted by aldo_14
is there any parallel arrangement to allow other state funded 'employers' such as the police, fire service, etc recruitng access to schools?

I think there is, I seem to recal something like this, but the little booths out in the hall are easily ignored.

[aldo_14]

EDIT; never mind

I think this whole US education system thing is just to bizarre for me to even try to understand.

[Clave]

I always try and help the police by beating myself up, and throwing myself down flights of stairs etc....

[Bobboau]

well I don't think there is a) any objection to it b) much demand, so I'm not sure 'force' would be the right word. I think I've seen police and fire department booths a couple of times. though honestly I'm not sure. I would imagine they have a similar araingment. (I know for a fact that there were DNC and RNC booths around the time of the election)

prety much anyone who wants to get a thing for recruiting people can (other schools use this more than anything else), sence the government is paying these schools (federal funding) it seems only fair that they be given one or two as well.
anyway, the millitary booths are always a good place to find some school suplies if your out
"you ready to be all you can be?"
"no, I just need a pencil" /*yanks complmentery pencil from baskit*/

my experience with military recrutment was them bothering me for about a week, me going down to there building makeing it clear that I didn't want to join and never hearing from them again.

[Rictor]

Well, not everyone has the willpower/intelligence to keep fending them off.

[Ford Prefect]

The military doesn't exert much effort in areas like mine. They know that people living in affluent suburbs are going to go to college because it's an option we can afford. The ranks of the military are largely filled with people who have been totally screwed on the socioeconomic scale. I'm actually a little surprised that they were trying that hard to get recruits in law schools to begin with.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Bobboau
well I don't think there is a) any objection to it b) much demand, so I'm not sure 'force' would be the right word. I think I've seen police and fire department booths a couple of times. though honestly I'm not sure. I would imagine they have a similar araingment. (I know for a fact that there were DNC and RNC booths around the time of the election)

prety much anyone who wants to get a thing for recruiting people can (other schools use this more than anything else), sence the government is paying these schools (federal funding) it seems only fair that they be given one or two as well.
anyway, the millitary booths are always a good place to find some school suplies if your out
"you ready to be all you can be?"
"no, I just need a pencil" /*yanks complmentery pencil from baskit*/

my experience with military recrutment was them bothering me for about a week, me going down to there building makeing it clear that I didn't want to join and never hearing from them again.

They're allowed to approach you directly?

[Flipside]

'Are you ready to be all you can be?'

The correct answer is to say 'Yes, watch....' and then walk off.

It'll take 'em ages to figure it out

[an0n]

Charity bucketeers are the best:

Charity Bucket Guy: Got any change?
an0n: Yeah - loads - and yer gettin' none of it.

[Liberator]

That show the differnce between American culture and European culture.  Most Americans can't walk by a Bell Ringer or equivalent without donating, and if they don't they usually feel guilty.  Target sucks, BTW.

[an0n]

Yeah, but America has more to feel guilty about.

[Liberator]

STFU u n00b!

[Grey Wolf]

Rather than comment on the staggering intellect displayed by Liberator's post, I'll instead ask a question:
Why, precisely, are they trying to recruit in a college? The logical time to recruit would be as a junior or senior in high school. As the students in that age group have not yet payed large amounts of money to colleges that would be wasted by enlisting, and they have the options of ROTC or the academies, which are the only ways to become officers other than being promoted from an NCO, which is relevant the Judge Advocate General's office is mainly composed of officers.

[Ford Prefect]

That's what I was wondering, too. How many law students are going to see the recruiters and say "OMFG law sux0rz I wanna blow **** up!!!!11111"

That show the differnce between American culture and European culture. Most Americans can't walk by a Bell Ringer or equivalent without donating, and if they don't they usually feel guilty.

Ummmm, okay.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Liberator
That show the differnce between American culture and European culture.  Most Americans can't walk by a Bell Ringer or equivalent without donating, and if they don't they usually feel guilty.  Target sucks, BTW.

I'm guessing you've not been to europe, then?

[Kazan]

Originally posted by Liberator
That show the differnce between American culture and European culture.  Most Americans can't walk by a Bell Ringer or equivalent without donating, and if they don't they usually feel guilty.  Target sucks, BTW.

liberator yet again demonstrating the vast knowledge the average american has of other cultures!

[Liberator]

I know that most of European culture is collasping under it own PC worthlessness.