[Bobboau]

actualy it's more like everyone 'knew' he had them, but not many thought they were a threat.

[Flipside]

Thing is, as has openly be displayed on here, to the average American public, an Iraqi resistance fighter is a 'worm'.

If that is the thought that is crawling through the minds of the public, that this person is 'less than human', when they are doing exactly what their own country would ask of them if someone invaded, why not just nuke the area and have done with it, you've already denied them the right to have a soul, so it's only a tiny step to deny them the right to live?

Edit : Oh, and don't doubt I know that their opinion of you is similar, I'm simply stating that this is the source of the problem.

[Deepblue]

Brutally murdering innocents and cutting off heads qualifies them for that name. I'm sorry if you seem to accept this behaviour as honorable.

[demon442]

Gratification.  Pure and complete joy in the fact that A) this could very well be real and B) that, if it is real, there are more intelligent people fighting our occupation than leading it.

I can't wait to hear Bush's responce, if he choses to allow this to hit the media.

[Deepblue]

Originally posted by demon442
Gratification.  Pure and complete joy in the fact that A) this could very well be real and B) that, if it is real, there are more intelligent people fighting our occupation than leading it.

I can't wait to hear Bush's responce, if he choses to allow this to hit the media.

Our?

[Flipside]

Bombing civilians and brutally torturing prisoners, on occasion to death, is not exactly going to qualify for guiness book of Human Rights either. Both sides have done things they would be ashamed of if they stopped to look at their own peoples actions rather than condemn the oppositions'.

[Deepblue]

I wonder where you get your news... War is hell, but I don't see PURPOSEFUL civilian slaughtering and torture coming from the Coalition forces.

[Flipside]

Do you think the average Iraqi gives a camels turd about whether his wife was killed by accident or not?

'OOOOOops, Sorry!' Doesn't really cut it in that situation.

[Bobboau]

when we do that **** we get pissed at the people doing it and apologise, they video it and celebrate, there proud of it.

honestly I oftne wonder if they do that specificly to keep us fighting longer for some reason.

[Deepblue]

"War is hell."

Intent is a huge part of the crime.

[Flipside]

Wasn't that Bin Laden's rationale for 9/11?

Edit : Look at it this way, who is the terrorist's terrorist? Who, in the eyes of a terrorist, forces their people to live in fear and hunger, whether that belief is justified or not? American Corporations, who are supported by American military.

Would it be so hard to prove that you are not as willing to kill civilians to get 'terrorists' as they are?

[Deepblue]

Except one party is right, and one party is wrong. You sir, have an extremely warped view of the world and give credibility to those that have none.

[Bobboau]

the mideast is frothing over with conspericy theories about zionists and Americans.

anyway, just becase blame was sucessfuly shifted to us means we have to act like we realy are to blame.

the sanctions for example, Iraq invaded kuwate, they lost a war shortly after that they started, they sign a cese-fire agreement, they violate it, and in retaliation we, rather than bombing the ever liveing holy **** out of them, are convinced to try economic preasure, the only way I can see that this can be our fault at all is that we were the ones who didn't want to remove them, but it is seeming now that the people who were working the hardest to remove the sanctions may have been getting something out of it, but does anyone care about this, no, bringing it up will no doubt bring everyone left of the Regans shouting 'propaganda' at the posability.

..what was my point again...

oh, yeah just because people have had there perceptions of reality twisted buy the political forces that they are emersed in to come to a conclusion does not mean they are equivelently right.

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by Deepblue
Brutally murdering innocents and cutting off heads qualifies them for that name. I'm sorry if you seem to accept this behaviour as honorable.

Oh bull****. Like the U.S. hasn't killed any innocent Iraqis during the war. What about those restaurants and appartment complexes that we hit the first day with cruise-missiles because there was a possibility Saddam had been there within the last hour? What about every bomb that's missed it's target? Every person killed because they look suspicious?

If we're worried about 'insurgents' or civilians even, dying to defend their country, much as I expect people here would, then maybe it's a sign that we really shouldn't be there.


And of course the war is about oil. Don't give me the "OMFG NO ITS NOT THE WAR COSTS A MILLION TIMES MORE THAN THE OIL IS WORTH RETARD LOL" story either. You forget that oil is also a resource that a lot of people need. Controlling a resource translates into power.

[Bobboau]

it's far more likely that it's idealogicly based IMHO

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Rictor

[q]Put an end to Zionism before it ends the world.[/q]

[Flipside]

Originally posted by Deepblue
Except one party is right, and one party is wrong. You sir, have an extremely warped view of the world and give credibility to those that have none.

If that isn't warped, I don't know what is. So your whole argument for being 'right' is 'because we are'?

[Unknown Target]

*fart*


Henceforth this shall be my opinion of political discussions.

[Col. Fishguts]

Originally posted by redsniper
note: I don't believe that's really the solution, but sometimes I wish we could just get rid of that whole mess over there.

NahNahNah.....has your mom never introduced you to the concept of "You broke it, you fix it!" ?

[an0n]

Hold on a ****ing minute, what did Britain do?

We were there in a support capacity and were actually quite restained when it came to taking cities. Whereas American adopted their "love the smell of Napalm" strategy and started indescriminately killing everyone and everything that moved (like British troops ).