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Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by Bobboau
I miss TV shows, that's what I always used suprnova for, I'd've had no problem if there was a little banner add at the top of my computer during the download to pay for it, like is done with TV shows, why is it so imposable for these people to figure out a simple market stratigy that works online?!


Surely they make a mint from product placement in these shows anyways?  Just factor in the number of downloads, increase the placement costs to the advertiser; and there you go.

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a lot of indie bands suport file shareing as it gets them noticed by more people.


:nod:

'zackly.  I've bought something like 3 or 4 albums from fairly small groups in the last 2 weeks thanks to downloading tracks; I've probably discovered about 10 bands that way (which includes buying their back catalogue, so about 20-30 CDs).  

I think the reason the big labels don't like filesharing, is because they have no control over it; their attempts to overmarket vacous tat won't work, and the smaller artists have a more level playing field.  Basically, they don't want people to be able to hear good music; because it'd put their top earners out of business.

(NB: my arguement is that it's unfair to just ignore a law because that punishes a specific 'victim' of that law; I don't think P2P should be illegal on the simple basis that it'squite a bit  like radio)
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Offline Rictor

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Well thats the thing, I don't think most filesharers are assholes. I certainly think it would be wrong to rip of indie bands that are indeed dedicated to quality, but I guess thats up to the individual to decide. I know that in alot of cases (reffering to comics in my case, but music too I would imagine) the pirated release has a very clear "If you like it, buy it" message attached to it.

It has to be decided on a case by case basis. I think that by and large, people wouldn't support pirating from small labels, because its very clear that they depend on the revenues for survival and that they're not simply corporate cash-cows.

 

Offline aldo_14

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I think the problems began when music stopped being art and started being an industry.

 

Offline Rictor

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well spoken, asshopper.
« Last Edit: December 20, 2004, 11:48:10 am by 644 »

 

Offline Ashrak

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filelist org pawnz :)
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Offline Martinus

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[color=66ff00]Wake up people! Media liberation has been brainwashed into you as a bad thing when it is in fact quite the opposite. They use words like intellectual property and piracy to make their position seem like the moral choice, bear in mind that these are the people who exploit artists and stifle creativity.  (Note that I use the term 'media liberation' in the same fashion that they use the above terms, it is meant more as an example of how words can make something appear to be inclined in a moral sense).

The RIAA/MPAA and their other international counterparts openly coerce governments into changing the laws, the laws are not by the people for the people they're by the fat-cats for the fat-cats. It used to be that that buying a government was an act that would incite anger, now it's so commonplace people accept it.

Artists no longer own their works, Sony and Warner do, for the lifetime of the artist + 70 years. You're an artist and you get stiffed by the music company, too bad, they continue to sell your work, fire you and give you some meagre amount that they have fixed in your legally binding contract. Check out Sonny Bono's 'contributions' to laws in this area, that guy was real upstanding person (not to mention a senator - are we detecting any government influencing here?).

At this time copying media costs effectively nothing to do, any smart business would see this and alter their business model to take advantage of this fact but that might endanger the frankly ****ing insane profits that are made for the amount of time it takes to move to the new model.
"Oh sorry darling, I can't afford to buy you another new Ferrari this month, this internet is making us poor, I hardly made $100,000 last month!".

Lets examine a certain 'fact' that so many of you are willing to accept: copying is killing the music/film industries. The RIAA claim that every CD that is copied affects their sales, I don't know if I've missed something but if I remember correctly data costs almost nothing to clone, most people who use liberated media were never going to buy it had they no access to it therefore the RIAA and its brethren were never going to get money from that person regardless.

Say a person downloads an album that they've heard a track from on TV or the radio, the work in question is poor and is being sold under the pretense that all of the album is of the calibur of that track, is it fair to expect to pay for the entire album? Some would say that this is selling under false pretenses; they refer to themselves as an industry, the goods that they sell are highly controlled and should be of a uniform high quality regardless of being 'art'.

Lets also examine the claim that artists are directly affected by media liberation (not something you'll hear many artists claim incidently). You create a movie or an album and some guy copies it and gives that copy to his friend, that person has obviously had some direct and maligned effect on your life hasn't he? He came into your home and literally stole cash from you...
Didn't he?

I reward those that deserve rewarding, I buy something because I know it is good not based on hear-say or advertisements. That way I punish the industry that feeds us non-inspiring, carbon copies of the same thing they pumped out last week.

Media liberation could be the one thing that actually saves art.
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Offline aldo_14

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Let not forget that, IIRC, this year has seen record album sales.

 

Offline Rictor

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Preach it brother!

What to we want!?
Media liberation!
When do we want it!?
At the industry's earliest convenience!

ya!

 
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Media Liberation! ;7:yes:

 

Offline Ashrak

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hell if they kicked the prices down .... id buy it its the insane ****ing numbers that scare me off
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Offline Dark_4ce

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Getting TV shows off the net should be legalized. Getting music off the net should be legalized. Games on the other hand... That should be moderated. Prices should be lowered, and the games not just pumped out.  Movies should be allowed to be downloaded. Think of 700 meg divx movies that cost 5 dollars to download from the main studios on the day of the premiere.  Suddenly you got a choice. Watch it in the theater, or watch it on your comp/tv. Then when it comes out on dvd, you can buy the dvd with all its extras. The best part is, they'll still make their gazzillions cause the folks who wont go to the movies, will still pay the same "net" price the theaters pay the studios when tey watch it on their comp. Tadaa! Problem solved. With the speeds the net is reaching, I can see this as turning into a streaming option or something.

Ooh, consider this. Think of all those Direct to Video or DVD releases. Now even smaller companies can publish their movies to the largest audience on the world with direct to Stream.
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Offline Clave

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I don't go to the cinema that often, but I'd miss it after it had been killed off by your idea....
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Offline Dark_4ce

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Being a realist thats all. Movie theaters will NEVER be killed off. People will always go to social events such as the movies. Like hell people are gonna go "Come over to my house to watch a movie baby." Instead of going to the movie theater. And theres still something about watching a film with a large audience and on a giant screen with great sound.
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Offline Clave

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Yeah, I wonder how much they were actually losing when suprnova was running?
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Offline karajorma

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Not a single red cent would be my bet.
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If you were planning on seeing a movie in the theater you'd go anyway. You cannot have that a high-res version from the web, you cannot have the sound system or the big screen. So yeah, if you were going to see it, you would. If you weren't going to pay for the theater, you might pay a lot less and watch it at home.
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Offline Stealth

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Originally posted by Rictor

Since when does the government decide what is right and wrong.


off the record here, but i was always pretty sure the government did decide what was right and wrong... by making laws; )

i don't think anyone can argue whether file-sharing was legally wrong... because it was.  the only argument should be whether it's morally wrong.
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Offline Rictor

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Yeah, basically.

Laws mean nothing, since they're just enforced through fear of punishment. Laws are not inherently right or wrong, its the morality behind them that matters. Governments can decide right and wrong the same way the mafia can - you follow the rules cause there's a can of whoop ass waiting if you don't. That's not genuine morality, only "legal morality".

Which basically boils down to the individual simply ignoring any laws that are unjust, and likewise following non-existant laws that are just.

 

Offline Stealth

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...which is why i said that it's "legally wrong".  i also mentioned, note, the fact on morally right or wrong.

 
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Hmm...wait...I was about to reply, and I just found out...the last post I made in this thread was deleted...

Why?