[Taristin]

Originally posted by an0n
Maeg's posts?

They rarely even have sense, let alone sentimentality.

MM's, not posts...

[vyper]

Actually it's usually the opposite, guys who go on about how you should be treating women are usually the ones who have the least real world experience with said women.

[Unknown Target]

Originally posted by vyper
Actually it's usually the opposite, guys who go on about how you should be treating women are usually the ones who have the least real world experience with said women.

Oh ho, so you're saying that any real man who's had tons of experience with women should treat them like crap?

I'm stilling saying that you shouldn't treat them like an0n does. I'd say something about being some sort of super-pimp, but on an online gamer message board, that sounds kind of pathetic.

[vyper]

No I'm say the guys that go around condeming the guys who do are usually compensating for lack of personal experience.

[Unknown Target]

So then what's your point? Do all men who say that women should be treated with respect have little or no experience with women? And that the only reason people say that they should be treated as humans is because they're jealous of the people who supposadly have lots of experience?

[an0n]

I'm saying you're both virgins and I'd have more women than Superman has nails in his coffin.

[Unknown Target]

an0n, the only woman that would want you is your mother. Which explains your sister.

[vyper]

No UT, I'm saying guys who correct everyone else on it are usually inexperienced.

[Unknown Target]

And I'm just saying that women should be treated as people, not sex objects. Does that therefore make me inexperienced?

[Shrike]

Originally posted by an0n
I'm saying you're both virgins and I'd have more women than Superman has nails in his coffin.

The man of steel has no coffin!

[an0n]

Originally posted by Unknown Target
an0n, the only woman that would want you is your mother. Which explains your sister.

Okay, UT. Regail us all with tales of your sexual exploits. I've got 5 minutes to kill.

[IceFire]

Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]Women generally have the mentality that what they cannot have is attractive, mostly because they see it as a challenge and as they say nothing worth fighting for is worth having.

As for the jerk complex; it's related to the above fact, guys who mistreat girls can give the appearance of being a challenge, something she has to fight to 'control'. They're seen as more spontaenious and therefore potentially more interesting to be around.

Unfortunately hollywood and television has given us this picture of the perfect guy as a touchy feely type and the perfect girl as a go getter.
In actual fact if you consider the real motivations of men and women you'll note that we are still pretty much locked into the same old patterns; guys want a feminine girl and girls a masculine guy. Obviously there are exceptions but the rule is a pretty good guide-line.

In my experience girls under the age of about 22 to 23 don't really know what they want, they go for attractive guys as this gives them a better status amoungst their peers, women in their mid 20's tend to realise that happiness and looks are independant and hence they go for guys that please them emotionally rather than just going for looks or status.
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Not the first time I've heard this.

Unfortunately, I'm not a very good jerk...kinda sucks.

[Unknown Target]

Originally posted by an0n

Okay, UT. Regail us all with tales of your sexual exploits. I've got 5 minutes to kill.

No, because 1) I'm not that low, 2) You wouldn't believe me, and 3) Posting my sexual exploits on a public message board? You gotta be kidding me.

[WMCoolmon]

Originally posted by Unknown Target
And I'm just saying that women should be treated as people, not sex objects. Does that therefore make me inexperienced?

It doesn't make you inexperienced but it probably means you are  inexperienced. Very often the people who say "I'm right, and anyone who says something different is wrong" are the inexperienced. The truth is, there are people out there who you can be nice and respectful to and you'll be far worse off than if you were a complete and total asshole to.

Ex: Guy A likes this girl. But, he doesn't ask her out and he's living paycheck-to-paycheck and doesn't have any money for a date. Eventually, Guy B asks her out and she goes out with him. But, Guy A eventually clears up a couple loans and now has some extra cash. His friends tell him, though, that the girl is going out with Guy B.
So Guy A does the respectful thing and doesn't ask her out.

But in fact, the girl was just going out with Guy B because he asked her and she felt like something was wrong with her because she didn't have a boyfriend. She'd always had a crush on Guy A, and still does, but he never asks her out, because he's trying to be respectful of her.

[Unknown Target]

I'm not inexperienced, I just think that everyone, of both genders, should be treated equally.

Ok, but Guy A doesn't know that, does he? Guy A is doing the right thing by what he knows, which is all he can do. If he wants, however, he can drop a line or two and see if anything bites. If it does, he could move in if he wants to. But at the start of the situation, as far as he's concerned, she's taken, and he can't have her, so he does the right thing. Unless you're saying that not moving in on someone else's partner is a bad thing, and you should do it at all opportunities?

[IceFire]

I'm very much Guy A.  Damn...

[WMCoolmon]

Originally posted by Unknown Target
I'm not inexperienced, I just think that everyone, of both genders, should be treated equally.

Ok, but Guy A doesn't know that, does he? Guy A is doing the right thing by what he knows, which is all he can do. If he wants, however, he can drop a line or two and see if anything bites. If it does, he could move in if he wants to.

But that wouldn't be respectful of the girl (Or the guy she's with!). As far as he knows, she's made her decision; the respectful thing would be to respect her choice, not to try and interfere with her relationship to Guy B.

[Unknown Target]

Read my post, I added an extra line or two (I edited it just after you posted yours).

Here:

But at the start of the situation, as far as he's concerned, she's taken, and he can't have her, so he does the right thing. Unless you're saying that not moving in on someone else's partner is a bad thing, and you should do it at all opportunities?

[WMCoolmon]

I don't really think it's necessarily a "bad thing", although I don't think it's necessarily a good thing, either. It's more disrespectful than NOT asking, though, since he's essentially questioning her choice.

I don't see where I said you should move in on someone else's partner at all opportunities, could you enlighten me? My point was that so long as Guy A remains 'respectful' and never asks out the girl, he doesn't have a chance with her.

[Unknown Target]

I'm just trying to find your point. In combining your last post and the previous one, it looks like you're supporting my stance. Therefore, why did you couch it in such obscure terms?
However, if you were opposing my point, and using that as a situation where it would be acceptable to be a "bad guy" and move in on the person's partner, well, there's no way of telling if the attraction exists in the other party, so therefore, you must be implying that it is acceptable to go "fishing" every single time you want someone who is in a relationship.

And I don't understand this line:

It's more disrespectful than NOT asking, though, since he's essentially questioning her choice.

Are you referring that it's disrespectful to ask or not to ask?