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Gunboats with shields?

No shields. They are warships!
11 (39.3%)
Yes to shields! They are cooool"
11 (39.3%)
I say no to gunboats in general.
1 (3.6%)
I juut don't give a damn...
5 (17.9%)

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Voting closed: December 28, 2004, 12:16:21 pm

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Offline TrashMan

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Should gunboats have shields?
Now I made a gunboat..approx. 150m long, with 6 Subach turrets, 2 Flak Guns and 3 forward fixed Cyclops launchers.

Do you think I should put shields on it or not..I'm kinda having a hard time deciding since it is a warship.....

Anway, the ship calsses I'm using (ordered by size)
gunboat
cruiser
heavy cruiser
corvette
frigate
assault/light carier
destroyer
heavy destroyer/carrier
battleship/heavy carrier
dreadnought
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Offline Knight Templar

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Should gunboats have shields?
You spelled my choice wrong. Anyway, so not to be an ass, I say that because the whole system is rather arbitrary and will come down to what you feel like doing either way.
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Should gunboats have shields?
I don't think they really need shields, besides it don't protect agaist beams, and Bombs would destroy e'm quick unless they are 5,000 hitpoint shields.
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Offline aldo_14

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Should gunboats have shields?
No, because if a ship of that size and armament can have them, why don't transports?

 

Offline Liberator

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Should gunboats have shields?
Power availability?  Freighters would have the smallest powerplant that would allow them to function, whereas a warship would have the largest that would fit into the design.
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Should gunboats have shields?
I don't know about them having shields in general, but I'd like the code for them to have shields to be there for mods that need it.
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Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by Liberator
Power availability?  Freighters would have the smallest powerplant that would allow them to function, whereas a warship would have the largest that would fit into the design.


why?  If you have - for example - the Colossus relying upon logistics convoys, or repair crews sent in Argos into a battlezone, you'd need them to be as well protected as possible.  Yes, there would be some difference due to necessity, but not enough IMO to allow shields - otherwise why wouldn't a Fenris or maybe even a Charybdis have them?

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I don't know about them having shields in general, but I'd like the code for them to have shields to be there for mods that need it.


You can already;  see http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,22575.0.html

 
Should gunboats have shields?
I didn't know that.  Thanks, Aldo.
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Offline Col. Fishguts

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Should gunboats have shields?
I would be happy with Gunboat AI for starters :P
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Offline Nuclear1

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Should gunboats have shields?
Frankly, I don't care. Playing Derelict, go through the first loop, third mission through. The "gunboats" that the FREDers used there were simply Satis-class freighters with nothing but flak turrets for armament. Sure, they went down quickly, but were quite annoying.

But still, I don't really care, so however you do it is completely up to you.
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Should gunboats have shields?
when considering the role of gunboats shields are preferable. considering they are mostly deployed agains capships and reallly shouldnt have to worry about fighters. typically a gunboat would be dispatched with a wing of fighters for cover. gunboats being a bigger threat than bombers would probibly be shot at alot. without shields or a huge about of hull points it wouldnt last very long. however the size of such a ship should be taken into account. a maelstrom gunboat is only 103 meters long and really doesnt need to power any beam weapons (main guns use ammo) so it has enought power to run a shield system. however a larger gunboat with beam cannons and lots of point defense is probibly gonna need the power for other things and thus wouldnt be able to power shields.
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Should gunboats have shields?
As you se this part:
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Approx. 150m long, with 6 Subach turrets, 2 Flak Guns and 3 forward fixed Cyclops launchers. Speed 50m/s
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Gives you a good idea of it's role.
It's mainly used for escort, alltough in numbers it can attack a larger warships (cyclops launchers..however, the AI being a total moron launches only one salvo and then proceeds to run around in circles)

Now, the shield mesh is included in the pof, but what I'm trying to do ig get hte general oppinion/feel people have about this subject before putting the gunboats into the campaign missions.
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Should gunboats have shields?
Well, I can't help but feel the answer to this one is clearly no.  AFAIK, the only shielded capship in all of FSdom was the lucifer.  And even the shivans only had one of those hanging around.  And considering that they obviously know how to do it, the fact that all shivan ships aren't carrying shielding is probably a clue that it's a very very difficult thing to do.  Come to think of it, even the shields on the lucy weren't standard issue, they were essentially invulnerable.

Everything in FS points to there being some major trouble that prevents just plopping down a couple of fighter shield generators in a capship.  And humanity doesn't seem to have anything even remotely close to the lucy technology.  Ships about the size of your gunboat are clearly not shielded, so your gunboat probably shouldn't be either.

 

Offline Nuke

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Should gunboats have shields?
i like gunboats in general. kinda lets you engauge bigger oponents. my gunboat is smaller and porbibly does more damage. im using shields on mine. however a gunboat isnt a ship you want to use in every mission.

if your curious the maelsrom has 4 point defense guns, 3 missile banks (4 whenever the scp guys implement full 4th bank support), a pair 200mm gatling guns, and an anti-fighter missile turret.
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Offline Nuclear1

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Should gunboats have shields?
The Lucifer itself was never "shielded"-- it was all the "invulnerable" tag in FRED. "Shielded" is regarded as having a protective, regularly-used outer protection for the hull, like on fighters and bombers.

The Lucifer's "shield" was strictly for the storyline: the only reason that the Lucifer never took damage was because it was established in FRED as such.

Didn't someone have a mod that actually gave the Lucy shields, though? I remember seeing it a while back.
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Offline Liberator

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otherwise why wouldn't a Fenris or maybe even a Charybdis have them?


Scale?  A GTVA shield, though based on shivan shields, might be unstable at warship size size.  I don't count gunboats as warships, they are single pilot bomber escorts.
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Should gunboats have shields?
Given the size...no. If it were under a hundred meters I would say yes, but given the size, no.
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Offline aldo_14

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Scale?  A GTVA shield, though based on shivan shields, might be unstable at warship size size.  I don't count gunboats as warships, they are single pilot bomber escorts.


Carybdis is only about 180-190m long.  And transports are obviously much smaller; the Poseidon is 50m or so.  The Shivan Cain is only 190m as well; if it was possible to do so, surely they'd be shielded?

Goven TMs definition of the size and armament of this thing (11 turrets including 2 flak), I'd class it as a warship.

 

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Should gunboats have shields?
See what I mean?
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Offline Liberator

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Should gunboats have shields?
I class anything over 100m as a warship with lots of crew, you can call it a cutter or whatever, but to my mind a gunship is perhaps half-again the size of a bomber, give or take, with at most 3 crew(pilot and 2 gunners one for each side)
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