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Offline Sandwich

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its funny the inconsistancys of various versions of the bible regaurding this particular fairytale.  any normal king james version says "so we may know them" but ive seen versions that replace the word 'know' with the word 'intercourse'. i blame this little typo on cristianity's unacceptance of homosexuals because it tends to be the first thing anti-gay christians seem to bring up. people fail to see the point that the bible is so old that the languages used have evolved to the point where words no longer mean the same thing,


The modern Hebrew word "to know" is used as "to have intercourse with" in Biblical Hebrew, and that's a fact. It's used in such terms not only in the partially ambiguous passage here concerning Lot and the people of the city, but in other passages as well, ones that don't leave much room for alternate meanings.

So it's not an inconsistancy, it's just a change from assuming that the Biblical meaning of the word is know, to providing the modern equivalent of the Biblical meaning of the word.
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 
About the gender thing, I don't know any Hebrew, but in Latin, if they  write homus they can mean both a man, or a human.
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Same in Hebrew... "Adam" is both "man" and "human". Sort of.
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"...The quintessential quality of our age is that of dreams coming true. Just think of it. For centuries we have dreamt of flying; recently we made that come true: we have always hankered for speed; now we have speeds greater than we can stand: we wanted to speak to far parts of the Earth; we can: we wanted to explore the sea bottom; we have: and so  on, and so on: and, too, we wanted the power to smash our enemies utterly; we have it. If we had truly wanted peace, we should have had that as well. But true peace has never been one of the genuine dreams - we have got little further than preaching against war in order to appease our consciences. The truly wishful dreams, the many-minded dreams are now irresistible - they become facts." - 'The Outward Urge' by John Wyndham

"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 
Who ever said that Christians thought the Bible was all peace and love?

We know god had to show his mad ownage powers every once in a while.

 

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I pretty much stopped believing in fairy stories when I was 9....
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Well, lucky for the Bible there aren't any fairies!

 

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It's the same genre...
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Every time you say you don't believe in Jesuses a fairy dies.  Or is it the other way round?

 
Only one jesus. Multiple fairies. You got it right.

 

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Every time you say you don't believe in Jesuses a fairy dies.  Or is it the other way round?


'Every time you say you do believe in Jesus, a Fairy loses some rights' ;)

 

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I don't believe...

You see, I have trouble accepting things as fact without some reasonable form of evidence...

The Bible is a set of stories written by lots of people over a long period of time...

It cannot be seen as anything other than that...

To base your way of life on words written in a book seems bizzarre to me...

I don't buy it... any of it, in any way.....
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I don't believe...

You see, I have trouble accepting things as fact without some reasonable form of evidence...

The Bible is a set of stories written by lots of people over a long period of time...

It cannot be seen as anything other than that...

To base your way of life on words written in a book seems bizzarre to me...

I don't buy it... any of it, in any way.....


So I suppose the Big Bang is a better idea, although there is no reasonable form of evidence, In fact, none at all?

 

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Er- don't go there, Tin Can.

1) There's plenty of evidence for the Big Bang.
2) The Big Bang is consistent with the Creation account, especially the "creation of what is seen from what is unseen" bit.

If we're going to have a discussion on the Bible, we should leave Creation out of it.  There are too many strong opinions held on it, even among Christians.

 

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"'God' is an image created out of man's insecurities." - Wiegraf

"Religion is the idol of the mob; it adores everything it does not understand." - Frederick the Great

Those pretty much sum up my opinions and thoughts on this matter.
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well i'm glad we don't really care about your thoughts and opinions :yes:


;)

 
So Goober, let try not to offend or provoke any form of Creation or Explosive Theory, but by all means let try and disprove everything else in the Bible. Let a rip kids!

 

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well i'm glad we don't really care about your thoughts and opinions :yes:


;)

Exactly what is that supposed to mean? I only said that those quotes summed up my general stance on religion. Is there something wrong about that? I CAN voice my opinions this way, yes?
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All religion is fundementally flawed, it's self-edvident.

Show me God or STFU
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Does anybody remember the joke about the lost page of the bible in Red Dwarf beside me? :p
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Clave, that exact argument is why Christians don't like atheists all that much and many Muslims want to kill them.  It has always been a matter of faith.  I wouldn't respect any deity that made him or her self available for inspection that easily.

Every Atheist's favorite quote is "God is dead" from Frederick Nietzche.  The forget about is the rest of what he said.  He predicted, fairly accurately I'm sad to say, that the 20th century would be the most violent in human history and that the 21st would be worse.  The void in the human spirit left by God's demise would be filled by the baser behaviors that Religions since time immemorial have sought to repress, whether it was through enlightenment or dogmatic principle.  Man is an inherently violent creature.  Religion developed to blunt the vast majority of that violence, because while the violent are highly unlikely to hearken to those they veiw as the weaker, they could hardly fight a surpreme, all powerful being.

I believe that God had a physical presence on Earth when he created Humanity because at that time everything was perfect and he could be in our presence.  However, sin is anethema to Him, and after The Fall, sin was prevalent throughout the world and he could no longer allow Himself to have a physical presence on Earth.  Thus sprang up religions to facilitate communication with Him.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

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