[Liberator]

Has anyone seen any of it?

It's almost least as good as the first SEED, but not quite because several of the the Gundam designs are derivative of previous Gundams(not from SEED).  I have to say that I think I like the theme songs better than SEED though.

[Gortef]

Yea I follow it ^^
It's really great, can't wait for the next episode (13)

Music? Hmm, well youre right. SEED had a bit better music I suppose, but I can't really say that I haven't enjoyed Destiny soundtrack aswell.

I'm not really bothered with the Gundam designs. As long as they look cool enough and the show is otherwise enjoyable... I dig ^^

[Liberator]

I was just suggesting that the Abyss looked a bit like Deathscythe is all.

[Grey Wolf]

I haven't seen the series yet, but there's no denying that the Abyss is based on the Deathscythe.
Abyss:

Deathscythe:

[Liberator]

Post a pic of DS Hell, the resemblance is far more uncanny.
Deathscythe Hell(perhaps the coolest Gundam in Wing)


Abyss(ahb his) Gundam


It's almost the same MS.  If you forget that the DS was meant for close range stealth type ops and the Abyss has as much firepower as a battleship.

Something to note, all the new Gundams in Destiny are convertible somehow.  The 3 stolen Gundams all have a Mobile Armor(single pilot, heavily armed, space only) mode.  The Impulse is like the original Gundam, it's in 3 pieces(a core fighter, the Splendor, and a torso and leg section.  For it to become active it also has 3 different "backpacks" with similar function to the Ayle, Sword, and Launcher pack for the original Strike gundam.  And Athrun's Saviour gundam has a flight mode for high speed atmosphereic flight(from MAHQ.net, we haven't actually seen this in the show yet)

[Gortef]

Yea they really decided to multiply the amount of convertible gundams in destiny, compared to seed. Oh well, let's see if ******* will still own

(decided to keep the name hidden to avoid some kind of spoilers)

[Genryu]

Seen it, still deciding if I will sub it or not
What's cracking me up is a frien complaining about 'Transformers' Gundam, when Gundam in multiple parts exists since the first series. The Rx-78-2 (the first gundam for those who asks) was already in three parts : legs, torso+head, cockpit in the middle, the cockpit usable as a fighter.

[Liberator]

Yeah.  Tell him if he's going to complain about anything,  to complain about something substitive like the fact that they have enough firepower to blow the hell out of a PLANT(which only the Minerva's positron cannon could damage), but not enough power to run the PS armor for more than 5 or 6 minutes.

[MetalDestroyer]

You forgot the Nemesis Cannon from PLANT , the one who destroy a large terran fleet

[delta_7890]

A-hem.  Your data on these Gundams is not entirely accurate.  The Deathscythe is in no way similar to the Abyss Gundam.  The Deathscythe was developed as a stealth tactical mobile suit, equipped with powerful ECM jamming equipment to fool enemy radar systems.  Its motif was "Grim Reaper", as evident by its demonic appearance, and a scythe as its primary weapon.  The Deathscythe Hell was only an improvded version of this mobile suit, which also featured an active cloaking device to disappear from sight completely!

The Abyss Gundam was a Second Stage Gundam developed by ZAFT.  It is an amphibious assault mobile suit, designed with aquatic combat in mind.  It is armed with many beam cannons, which are intended to be used to bring down enemy battleship fleets.  To maneuver more easily in water, the Abyss Gundam can transform into a mobile armor mode.  I have not seen much of the series, but I can't imagine this mode would prove useful in space.  Space combat is the specialty of one of its counterparts, the Chaos Gundam.  The Gaia Gundam, additionally, was designed with ground combat in mind.

These three units were designed to operate in the three environments.  Land, sea, and space.  Savior Gundam is also a part of this collection, with its specialty being aerial combat.  The Impulse Gundam is simply a ZAFT version of the Earth Alliance's Strike Gundam, with the ability to equip different mission packs based on the battle conditions.

[Liberator]

I never said otherwise delta, I was just commenting that the Abyss and Deathscythe look similar at first glance.

[delta_7890]

Originally posted by Genryu
Seen it, still deciding if I will sub it or not
What's cracking me up is a frien complaining about 'Transformers' Gundam, when Gundam in multiple parts exists since the first series. The Rx-78-2 (the first gundam for those who asks) was already in three parts : legs, torso+head, cockpit in the middle, the cockpit usable as a fighter.

Ah yes, the good old Core Block System.  It's interesting that it's made a return here, but it seems to be more of a gimmick than anything else.  The "Top Flyer" and "Leg Flyer" modes of Impulse are very poorly designed.  Also, in the case of the RX-78, RX-77, and RX-75, the Core Block System was really only supposed to be used in emergencies.

It was designed so that if a part of the mobile suit was critically damaged, the pilot could eject in a reliable fashion, and also save any combat data stored in the Core Fighter.  Either the top or bottom sections could be ejected, or both to release the Core Fighter.  Core Block Systems have been used in many designs.  In some cases, such as with the ZZ Gundam and the S Gundam, they have even been used to create seperate fighters.  

This is different from the G Armor system that the RX-78 used, which relied on two components (A and B) to be attached over the Gundam to form a kind of Mobile Armor mode.  There were different modes of course.  Parts A and B without the Gundam formed the G Fighter.  Part A and the Gundam formed the G-Bull.  Part B and the Core Fighter formed the G Sky.  Part B and the Gundam were also used to form the humorous Gundam Sky, which was used in an attack against the Zakrello mobile armor.

I could go on for a while about this.  ^^;

[Shrike]

My friend's said Destiny's not bad, but what I'm really waiting for are some high-quality DVD rips of Z.

[Genryu]

isn't Zeta out there in the US, in DVD ? I seem to recall something like that... ?

[SadisticSid]

The coolest thing about SEED-D has been the music so far. I love the track that plays when the three stolen Gundams lay waste to Armory-1, and the one when Minerva launches.

But the EA immediately launching another nuclear strike on PLANT in the first battle of the war and getting half their fleet wiped out? Yeesh, do they suck. And that Zamzazar thing, which gets destroyed not five minutes after it appears. Those Windam things suck ass as well - it seems the only decent hardware and competent personnel they have are on that blue special forces ship. I suppose that's what you get when your leader's a man who wears purple lipstick and abuses his cat

IIRC Zeta isn't out in the US yet BTW, they've been trying to release it for like 2 years now.

(For you UC fans - http://www.geocities.jp/kenkoudaa/page081.html)

[Liberator]

The only reason the Zamzazar was destroyed was because Shinn is apparently one of the Perfect Coordinators(with the requisite SEED mode), like Kira and Athrun.(big surprise there huh?)  If he hadn't been there, the Minerva would have been destroyed, because the Zamzazar was functionally invulnerable to her cannons(although I don't see how it could be immune to the tannhauser, since that cannon was capable of doing significant damage to the falling junius 7 PLANT fragment)

Windam's are probably the bomb when going against ASTRAYs or normal Zakus, but they were going up against a Gundam and 2 Elite Zakus, never mind the Minerva and her clouds of missle and other AAA fire.

Can I get an Admin to add a spoiler's warning to the thread title please?

[SadisticSid]

The only reason the Zamzazar was destroyed was because Shinn is apparently one of the Perfect Coordinators(with the requisite SEED mode), like Kira and Athrun.

Athrun wasn't a Perfect Coordinator, neither was Lacus, neither was Cagari, a natural, and they all went to SEED mode as well.

[Liberator]

Apologies then I haven't seen all of SEED yet.  Perhaps the seed represents a form of enhanced consciousness that allhumans can achieve in moments of extreme stress, but only certain enhanced humans can learn to control it.

[Genryu]

Coordinator are genetically enhanced. Seed mode is sign of a superior evolution. Both aren't mutually exclusive.

[Nico]

Bah, I still hate the Gundam design. So I'll keep the charadesign and keep watching Soukyou no Fafner, the mechas are much more to my taste