[Genryu]

Zero was ridiculously over-powered. But here were some over-powered add-ons to the suit in certains series. Check out the Dedrobium in 0083 or the Meteor in Seed.

[SadisticSid]

I suppose Zero was the 'best' Gundam overall, considering it could take any amount of enemy fire and still come out unscratched. As for best pilot, it'd be Norris from 08th MS Team. He owned everything in the best mobile suit battle in the history of Gundam. It felt realistic and gritty rather than the crappy super-human battles of other series', SEED included.

[Gortef]

Originally posted by Liberator
Kira's the one that's over powered, he probably could have taken those turkey's out with the basic Strike unit.

Haha, true

[Liberator]

I don't know why everybody's obsessed with Zero.  So it has the single most powerful weapon ever.  Need I remind you that Wufei nearly owned it with the Altron unit?  It was only because Heero talked him down that he didn't waste it.  There's no one "perfect" gundam.  Though the Nu comes close, it's downfall was the hubris of it's pilot, who thought he was powerful enough to stop a colony drop without help.

[Genryu]

That being said, he had help, but the colony drop was stopped due to only his unit at the end

[Liberator]

I guess I'm gonna have to try and find Char's Counterattack somewhere and watch it again I seem to remember all the federal and zeonic forces joining forces to stop the colony drop, only that the Nu had more endurance than the Jagd Doga's(my favorite units from that particular story).

[Genryu]

My reasoning is simple : since the colony wasn't stopped due to inverse forces ( the MS trying to stop it), but with Newtypes power amplified by the Pyscommu system in the Nu Gundam, the credit for the stop of the drop is its.

[Liberator]

I thought that is had something to do with that metal cross thingy that Amuro had with him.  Although, I don't have a lot of actual knowledge of the main UC storylines, only the side stories like 08th MS, 0080(tis a sad chapter) and 0083.

[Flaser]

Both char's and Amuro's cockpit was made of psycho-frame - an amplifier for Newtypes.

The two frames resonated with each other and simply put the mental power of the due was so strong that their desire to stop the colony overpowered the rest of the pilots in the area.

[Getter Robo G]

I own that movie since 1990 and it's entirely in Japanese (2 hours!) no subtitles.... Awesome fricken movie (so go see it if you haven;t)

I always wondered HOW they stropped the drop. I thought maybe they were sacrificing themselves, bu it looked like they lived.

Ok one question though. Why did the 10-12 yo go nuts near teh end battle and kill a bunch of feddies? Especially that hot chick. Fricken traitior!

Anyway I loved 0083, Ko was definately a troubled pilot, but had that blonde engineer hot for him. The add-ons were ridiculously overpowered (both hero or bad guy gundams 01 and 02) could take on a battle fleet themselves.

I have but haven;t sat down and watched formula 91 yet. It is also in japanese no subtitles...

Wing was probably teh WORST gundam series ever made. It seemed to me so much teen angst that it MUST have been "gundam for chicks".

Persoanlly I loved Gundam X After War, and the Double X becme my favorite Gundam of all time (I bet with both satelite cannons it could destroy a colony!) That scene where Garoad fired the single version fro teh first time and took out like 30 suits in a 360 degree arc and glassed an area out to a kilometer was priceless, like a nuke was dropped.... Plus sickest villians award for Bloodmoon, and the telepathic twins, another notable achievement for a Gundam series!

[Genryu]

Well, I guess the young girl you talked about is Quess Paraya (greenhead with pigtails, right ?). She decided, upon meeting Char, that she would follow him in his plan to make all of humanity evolve into Newtypes. Said plan included dropping Axis (big space station) on Earh to force people to go into space, and let the planet rest. Quess was a strong Newtype (powerwise, equivalent to Lalah) and was given an experimental Mobile Armor by Char so that she could kill Feds to help him.
Both Char and Amuro had a Newtype-power amplificator built into their suit. Said powers are for the most part dependent on willpower. When the two suit were rejoined by a bunch of other suits, both Feds and Zeon,  while trying to stop Axis falling on Earth, the amount of of willpower generated caused said system to overload and make what you could call a newtype explosion which managed to get Axis out of Earth attraction well.
Just my opinion, but many people said that Char and Amuro died in said explosion. Since we see something departing Axis after the explosion, I think at least Amuro, who still had a functionnal suit, could have lived on.
Just my two cents contribution

[BlackDove]

Originally posted by Liberator
I don't know why everybody's obsessed with Zero.  So it has the single most powerful weapon ever.  Need I remind you that Wufei nearly owned it with the Altron unit?  It was only because Heero talked him down that he didn't waste it.  There's no one "perfect" gundam.  Though the Nu comes close, it's downfall was the hubris of it's pilot, who thought he was powerful enough to stop a colony drop without help.

No.

The only reason Zero fell into the water, was because Heero had no intention of hurting Wufei - as you said, he was trying to talk him down. Nothing would be accomplished if Heero wasted Wufei, so he wasn't even trying.

In a real fight, Wufei would die quite fast. I thought that was clear even to monkies on trees.

Zero = pwn forever.

[Liberator]

Actually, no.  Zero was too strong and not properly maintained.  It was destroyed by the backlash of it's own weapon when it was assaulting the sheilded installation.  So, since it was destroyed, Zero cannot pwn anything.  Also, any weapon that can drive a pilot insane with just a few moments exposure during combat is a poor choice.  The only reason that Heero didn't go nuts was because he was already a sociopath.  The Zero system is for wussies any way, Duo and Wufei had a much larger killcount by the end of the war.

There are other gundams that a better looking and a couple that are far more powerful, the Freedom, for example.  That's the best looking MS that Gundam has shown us is a whille.

[BlackDove]

Don't change the subject, it's not who's the best looking.

Yeah, Zero was backslashed by its own huge ownage cannon, because that was the logical way of Zero dying. Zero decided from Heero's consciousness (after all, that IS the Zero system - merging with the pilot) that this was the last time, and it destroyed itself pretty much on purpose, because that's what Heero wanted.

The fact remains that if we take into account each Gundam's strengths and weaknesses, Zero ass-kicks all of them across the board, and the inventivness of the new (and pardon me, CRAP) Gundams, like the **** Shin is driving that's dependant on the Minerva, is just simply humiliating. Freedom is lovely, but it still isn't the rape-machine Zero is.

It's really all too simple. Zero was created to OWN all. And that's not up for argument. So let me change it for you.

Originally posted by Liberator
Actually, yes.  

Zero is the strongest Gundam, followed by that red thing Zechs was driving (forgot the name), because of their special systems.

You can debate the rest on their own league. Zero and the red one are in a class of their own, and that class is known as "Rape Factors".

[Liberator]

You mean Epyon?

You're insane if you think Wing Zero+Zero system+Heero can beat someone who can actually see the future and attack from several directions at once in a coordinated way.

I also see that you are a Wing fanboi and are unwilling to accept that there are better Gundams out there.

But let's stay on topic now, please?

[delta_7890]

Originally posted by Liberator
I guess I'm gonna have to try and find Char's Counterattack somewhere and watch it again I seem to remember all the federal and zeonic forces joining forces to stop the colony drop, only that the Nu had more endurance than the Jagd Doga's(my favorite units from that particular story).

Jagd Dogas?  You must be refering to the Geara Dogas.  The Jagd Dogas were special Newtype-use variants.  We only saw two of those in CCA.  One was piloted by..Guyinea (sp?).  And the other by that whiny brat..whose name escapes me at the moment.  The Gear Dogas however were the mass produced versions fielded by the Neo-Zeon soldiers.  Some of them went over to try and push away the remains of Axis, as well as some GM IIIs, and even some Jegans I think..  In any case, only Amuro's Nu was capable of stopping it.

[delta_7890]

And on a side note..  Wing Zero?  Ech..  Not very tactically sound..  It's got a lot of power, yes, but it really puts almost all of its eggs in one basket with that Twin Buster Rifle.  Without that, all it has is its vulcans, shoulder machineguns, and sabers.

A maneuverable mobile suit can dodge the rifle shots without too much difficulty.  Up against something like the Hi-Nu or the Victory 2, the Wing Zero would be in serious trouble, even with the Zero System.  A computer system can't compare to the power of a potent Newtype pilot.

[Liberator]

This one.

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/cca/index.htm

Apologies, it is a Geara Doga.  It is the ultimate evolution of the Zaku design.  Of course the one I have is a much nicer color of green.

[wolfdog]

Originally posted by delta_7890
And on a side note..  Wing Zero?  Ech..  Not very tactically sound..  It's got a lot of power, yes, but it really puts almost all of its eggs in one basket with that Twin Buster Rifle.  Without that, all it has is its vulcans, shoulder machineguns, and sabers.

A maneuverable mobile suit can dodge the rifle shots without too much difficulty.  Up against something like the Hi-Nu or the Victory 2, the Wing Zero would be in serious trouble, even with the Zero System.  A computer system can't compare to the power of a potent Newtype pilot.

Wing zero is a maneuverable suit, in fact it's one of the fastest suits in wing.

now IMO, it's simply plainly stupid to compare the ZERO system to Newtypes.  I Think Heero will beat some newtype pilots, but more experienced ones, like Amuro will wipe the floor with him.  He'll just use the  Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack, Disable ZERO, and maybe all Heero's weaps and finish him off.

BUT... Zero is a computer system... you can easylie mass-produce it...

Than you take some very good pilots, Coordinators maybe (we're combining universes, so why not? and they'll probaly master ZERO pretty fast) and suddenly have an army of 200  suits (ZAKUS would be cool) with pilots capable  of predicting any move, and since there is no way those few newtypes capable of using the real strong attacks, can disable all of those suits...

[Liberator]

Since we're combining universes, I'll just get the leader of the Shuffle Alliance and the holder of the title, Gundam of Gundams.