[Grey Wolf]

Wait, it was a vow of poverty that I was thinking about, which means they wouldn't actually own the food in the first place...

[Setekh]

Originally posted by Sandwich
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Yeah... what he said.

[Liberator]

I don't want to start a war here, but:

Originally posted by Mongoose
Regarding Mary, the Catholic Church doesn't treat her as a "mere" mortal woman.  She is the Mother of God, called the "Theokotos" in the Orthodox Church.  According to two important Catholic traditions about Mary, those of the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption, Mary was conceived without the original sin that stains the rest of humanity as recognition of her future role as the bearer of the Son of God

I hate to sound like Kazan, but that is a Fallacy.  Christ was 100% God but he was also 100 percent Man.  The former goes without saying, but for the latter to be true his earthly parent would have to be fully human, a state that includes the Original Sin.  To say that Mary was without the taint of the Original Sin is to say she wasn't fully Human and therefore the sacrifice of her Son was without meaning.

and at the end of her lifeIt's been a while, but I don't think my Bible deals too closely with Mary's death., she was assumed body and soul into heaven, a symbol I've always felt that this was a mild form of idolatry of our own eventual reunions of body and soul at the end of time.  Also, as exemplified by Christ giving Mary into John's care as he hung on the cross to be his mother, Mary is a mother to all of humanity.umm, no.  She was a simple girl from a small town.

We all agree that Chist's sacrifice on the Cross is the only way for us Gentiles to enter Heaven.  

Originally posted by Goober
umm...works based salvation?

You can't work you're way into Heaven or why did Christ die?

[Goober5000]

The reason Christ died was precisely because we can't work our way into heaven.  So the theology that Mongoose described

Originally posted by Mongoose
You see, a saint is someone who lived a life of virtue and holiness, and who earned the reward of heaven as a result of this.

is inconsistent with Christianity.

[vyper]

And it all relies on believing the bible to be completely true, which is highly unlikely due to the centuries of corruption and self-serving interpretations.

[Kie99]

The bastards don't deserve the name human. Put them on a desert island with no supplies and then send some hindus with some food in a boat to sail near the island, and let the Hindus eat the food and throw their leftovers away.

[Gank]

Jesus was a jew now? When that happen?

[Grey Wolf]

Well, Gank, what religion were his parents?

On a side note, this thread leads me to fear where it may end up going...

[Gank]

My parents were raised Catholic and Prodestant, I am neither. I would have thought Jesus was a christian

[Grey Wolf]

As he didn't really worship himself, that wouldn't quite make sense...

[Gank]

Saying hes jewish doesnt either, considering the jews persecuted him for being a heretic. The only basis for saying hes jewish is the fact that hes born in judea, which would make the 2-3 million palestinians who were born there also jewish, and I dont see anyone arguing that.

[Liberator]

No...you see, he wasn't persecuted until he began his ministry.  He was racially a Hebrew, and his parents raised him Jewish.  He went to temple on a regular basis, there is even an aside where he is seen debating the finer point of theology with some rather surprised priests at the age of 12.  Christianity developed because the Jewish leadership of the time would not accept Jesus followers and the Romans didn't really like them all that much either until Constantine.

[Sapphire]

Originally posted by Gank
Saying hes jewish doesnt either, considering the jews persecuted him for being a heretic. The only basis for saying hes jewish is the fact that hes born in judea, which would make the 2-3 million palestinians who were born there also jewish, and I dont see anyone arguing that.

Jesus was a Jew.  Not only was he a descendant of King David (a pretty famous Jew)....but he was also called Rabi (teacher) and taught in the syngogs and temple, and taught with authority.  No Gentile would have been allowed to do that.  The Bible clearly states that Salvation (Jesus) was sent "First for the Jew (his own people)....then for the Gentile".   He kept the Jewish ways...including attending synogog every day...as well as Jewish holidays.  The Last Supper.... was when he and his disciples observing the traditional Passover Meal--strictly a Jewish holiday.  

The word Christian was coined for those who followed his teachings.

[aldo_14]

I can't help but feel dissapointed no-one has made a joke using the phrase 'missionary position' yet.....

[Gank]

Jesus being God and Jesus being a jew are mutally exclusive. Judaism does not accept him as being the son of god therefore if he was religiously jewish, he cannot be the son of god therefore christianity is a crock of ****e.

[Kie99]

They should be forced to go into the missionsary position with a dog.

Happy now aldo?

[Ghostavo]

Jesus cannot be christian or jewish from a teological point of view as he cannot worship himself so...

[Gank]

Obviously enough, therefore the arguement that hes Jewish could only be based on the fact that hes born in Judea. For a christian anyways. Those who do not prescribe to their beliefs could argue that he is on a number of levels, theological, geographical and ancestral, though these arguments dont neccessarily hold up.

[Sapphire]

Whatever....

Does not change the fact he was raised Jewish, or that he lived a Jewish lifestyle...

Is Jesus a Jew now?  well......I don't think Jesus or God the Father considers themselves to be a part of any donomination or religion

[Ghostavo]

It does not change the fact that he is god (from a christian point of view of course).