[Gank]

Clarify something for me, what exactly is the problem? Illegal immigrants? immigrants in general? people who have different skin colour and/or languages? Cos I see no cohesive arguement here, we weren't prepared, its the governments fault etc etc. Just exactly what is the problem?

[Flipside]

Skin Colour? Don't go there Gank, if you want to post inflammatory posts, go ahead, but don't go there.

And you stated the problem. In many ways we were aware of our obligations to the EU, and our obligations to people who need immigration. And yet practically no steps were taken to deal with the extra weight it would bring on the NHS and Income Support systems. We weren't ready, and, quite frankly, we should have been.

Like I said before, I have no problem with immigration as such, but it was poorly organised, poorly dealt with and has caused too much bad feeling because of this.

[Blaise Russel]

Friction between different ethnic groups who both feel threatened by the other, which has the potential to escalate into something worse and maybe violent.

And the racists just lap it up, see...

[vyper]

[q]Meh they dont mind the Irish so much these days[/q]

Come to Glasgow.

[q]Clarify something for me, what exactly is the problem? [/q]

The powerful white folks are making the other white folks feel guilty for not being black folks, or for not bending over and taking it up the arse from the black folks.

Following so far?

Basically people are sick fed up with being made to feel like second class citizens in a country they are historically more native to than the thousands of minorities that get special treatment today.

I'll be honest, when I go out I know if I or any of my white, middle class, straight friends get into trouble with minority lads for whatever unknown reason - we will never be portrayed or accepted by the police or media as the victims. Always the implied agressor.

Example. A few years ago I heard about stories from my old primary school: There was a kid, an indian/asian lad, who was a bit of a bully. He picked on one white kid constantly and mentioned his colour in the bullying language. One day the poor lad snapped and told the bully in some none too vague terms what he thought of him, and mentioned his colour.

Suddenly, after months of being ignored this situation was leapt upon by the School. Guess what? The bully got away scot free (literally because there was no space on the report form for anti-white comments), and the poor lad being bullied got a permanent record of racist comments against his name.

Small example, big problem.

[vyper]

And for the record:

[q]but he raises points that will score with a fair percentage of Sun/Mirror readers out there[/q]

I read The Times.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by kietotheworld


You should know that the article he was sacked for was heavily editted, and he did NOT deserve to be sacked for it.  It was the multi-culturalists who made him lose his job.  If he is such a rascist then how did he get into a medium-sized political party

Because he's been on the TV and is recognisable.  It's that simple.

Oh, and you'll notice that he never apologised for that article; and if it was edited, then it shows he's willing to put his name to other peoples work for money, which would mean his opinion colum was simply a lie.

'sides which, just look at the man - he's a tosspot.

NB: on immigration;  we should welcome anyone who comes here and is willing to work... and that includes the poor sods who end up having to work on building sites or cockle picking for cash-in-hand.  We'd expect the same in other countries... and lets not forget that many asylum seekers legally cannot work unless granted asylum.  Too often we scapegoat immigrants who in actuality prop up the economy by working for miniscule wages and long hours.

Of course, what I really hate is the people who assume that, if someone isn't white skinned, then they must be an immigrant.

[Flipside]

Thing is, it's not just the 'Native' Britons that are suffering for it. Legal Immigrants are sometimes housed 10 to a room or the like, theres precious little oversight of Landlords to make sure they aren't forcing people to live in squalor. And that lack of planning doesn't do much to raise us in their opinions.

[Gank]

That was a reference to the complaints about britain being multi-cultural, although you cant deny that a lot of the *****ing about immigrants being done over there is based solely on rascism.

As for the Nhs and social services, I think you'll find their inability to cope had more to do with a certain iron lady than a mass influx of sick immigrants claiming the dole.

[Kie99]

Originally posted by aldo_14


Because he's been on the TV and is recognisable.  It's that simple.

Yeah, s'pose so

Oh, and you'll notice that he never apologised for that article; and if it was edited, then it shows he's willing to put his name to other peoples work for money, which would mean his opinion colum was simply a lie.

He didn't even know the Article would be sent out,
he wrote the Article months ago, and when it came out (UNEDITED) there was no uproar etc.  The newspaper (Its name escapes me) changed the article to make it more inflammatory

'sides which, just look at the man - he's a tosspot.

You judge people by their looks and expect to be taken seriously?

NB: on immigration;  we should welcome anyone who comes here and is willing to work... and that includes the poor sods who end up having to work on building sites or cockle picking for cash-in-hand.  We'd expect the same in other countries... and lets not forget that many asylum seekers legally cannot work unless granted asylum.  Too often we scapegoat immigrants who in actuality prop up the economy by working for miniscule wages and long hours.

Of course, what I really hate is the people who assume that, if someone isn't white skinned, then they must be an immigrant.

Your last two points I mostly agree with, except the fact that we should welcome everyone willing to work.  Can you not see that too many immigrants will result in a nation with no individuality, just a hodge podge of different nationalities.

[aldo_14]

Interesting to note that a lot of the doctors you see in the NHS are nth generation immigrants, of course.  As for the dole (etc) ,  there's not exactly a shortage of white* British skivers, is there?

*for the people who equate 'white' with 'British'

[Gank]

Originally posted by vyper
Come to Glasgow.

The hardcore huns up there are a special case. The majority of British people dont have to live with the stigmata of selling their own out and animosity dies down easier.

Originally posted by vyper
The powerful white folks are making the other white folks feel guilty for not being black folks, or for not bending over and taking it up the arse from the black folks.

Following so far?

Basically people are sick fed up with being made to feel like second class citizens in a country they are historically more native to than the thousands of minorities that get special treatment today.

I'll be honest, when I go out I know if I or any of my white, middle class, straight friends get into trouble with minority lads for whatever unknown reason - we will never be portrayed or accepted by the police or media as the victims. Always the implied agressor.
 

So the problem is minoritys getting treated better than the white majority, not immigration?

[vyper]

No one would accuse the minorities of skiving, lets just look at how many are successful in small business in our city aldo. The issue I personally take with it is how they do it. There's an attitude that doesn't go with our culture that they have: it's an arrogance that makes English football commentary look humble (ahem, no offence to anyone).

Edit:
[q]
So the problem is minoritys getting treated better than the white majority, not immigration?[/q]

If you wish, but think of it this way: This unfair treatment proves we do not have a society capable of handling immigrants properly. Thus you could argue immigration is the problem.

[Kie99]

Kilroy is on the Radio right now on talkSPORT, http:\\www.talksport.net and 1089AM.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by kietotheworld


He didn't even know the Article would be sent out,
he wrote the Article months ago, and when it came out (UNEDITED) there was no uproar etc. The newspaper (Its name escapes me) changed the article to make it more inflammatory

That sounds like an excuse for either not looking at what he writes, or not caring what is under his name as long as he gets paid.  Or simple scapegoatery.  

Not a good attribute for a public service, IMO.

Originally posted by kietotheworld

You judge people by their looks and expect to be taken seriously?

Take look as in 'listen to his attitude towards other people and his views', if you wish to be literal about it.  He is patently a self-serving arrogant....person; he joined one party, and then quit in a huff because he couldn't lead it.  Every mistake he's made, he blames on others - blaming his column on his secretary, blaiming his decision to have to leave UKIP on the people in that party who decided not to vote for him.

Originally posted by kietotheworld

Your last two points I mostly agree with, except the fact that we should welcome everyone willing to work.  Can you not see that too many immigrants will result in a nation with no individuality, just a hodge podge of different nationalities.

And that matters why?  We're already a hodge podge of 'nationalities' by definition - Scottish, Welsh, N.Irish, English.  And then take regional into that.....  not to mention the 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants who are as 'British' as you or I (in the ways in which a person can be considered 'British'.... I don't onsider myself British 1st or 2nd, after all).

I mean, what is national 'individuality' beyond a feeble stereotype?  If it's so important, why would we lose it by having different people?

[vyper]

Originally posted by kietotheworld
Kilroy is on the Radio right now on talkSPORT, http:\\www.talksport.net and 1089AM.

Did he replace Mike Dickens in the moring? My father was raging that he was taken off.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by vyper
No one would accuse the minorities of skiving, lets just look at how many are successful in small business in our city aldo. The issue I personally take with it is how they do it. There's an attitude that doesn't go with our culture that they have: it's an arrogance that makes English football commentary look humble (ahem, no offence to anyone).

Not in any I've ever met; in fact, I find the whole idea of 'arrogance' baffling, because I've never seen it.  Unless you mean those who keep some of their own cultural heritage and wish to preserve that?

Originally posted by vyper
If you wish, but think of it this way: This unfair treatment proves we do not have a society capable of handling immigrants properly. Thus you could argue immigration is the problem.

So we should propagate that failure by blaming the faults of society on those who bear the effects of it?

[Flipside]

I don't think it's what National Identity is as much as what people want National Identity to be.

In many ways Immigrants are made scapegoats for that, they are accused of destroying a culture which is constantly in flux anyway.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Flipside
I don't think it's what National Identity is as much as what people want National Identity to be.

In many ways Immigrants are made scapegoats for that, they are accused of destroying a culture which is constantly in flux anyway.

A culture which surely should itself be determined by its members, and not vice versa?

EDIt; aw, hell.......

[Gank]

Originally posted by vyper
If you wish, but think of it this way: This unfair treatment proves we do not have a society capable of handling immigrants properly. Thus you could argue immigration is the problem.

Well I can see it could be considered part of the problem, a simple solution to the problem you posted would be to just have a single box for rascist remarks, as opposed to specific ones. As for the larger problem, ie Britain moving away from its traditional white view of itself, theres sfa you can do about it really, save breeding a bit faster.

[Kie99]

Originally posted by vyper


Did he replace Mike Dickens in the moring? My father was raging that he was taken off.

No, Ian Collins and Mike Parry replaced Dickin, and Dickin now does 10PM-1AM on friday 11PM-1AM on Saturday and 10PM-1AM on sundays.