[Ford Prefect]

You're forgetting that lions don't just kill their prey; they kill lions from other prides. Male lions will frequenly go out of their ways to confront other prides and slaughter the cubs. To bring it closer to home, chimpanzees exhibit the most brutal behavior not toward other animals, but toward each other. It may be a survival mechanism, but my assertion is that the very act of satisfying an instinct generates what we call enjoyment.

If anything, civilization brings it out in us more. Without the need for survival as an outlet, we're stuck with these instincts and nowhere to direct them. So we shoot each other.

[aldo_14]

Also, domesticated cats kill for fun too, anyways.........

My view is that it isn't right to say killing people is fun especially when you have, because it is likely (or at least as likely as TV, movies, or video games) to make others want to find out.....

(bbc source; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4234751.stm)

It's best to mention the other comment too (if not already)
[q]During the discussion, he spoke of his experience fighting in Iraq as commander of the 1st Marine Division.

Caught on tape, he said: "Actually, it's quite a lot of fun to fight; you know, it's a hell of a hoot. I like brawling; it's fun to shoot some people."

In the context of Afghanistan, he said men who slapped around women for not wearing a veil had no manhood and it was fun to shoot them. [/q]

[karajorma]

Originally posted by TrashMan


Utter bull....

Animal don't "Destroy what they don't like". They destroy to eat and survive.

From the BBCs Horizon website

Prof RICHARD WRANGHAM (Harvard University): You get incredibly excited when you watch chimps hunting, and all the sympathy that otherwise one might expect to feel for the poor prey just goes out of the window because you identify so strongly with the chimpanzee. They are so intent and they are so excited, the passion that they feel is just so extraordinary. Then they settle down in to eating it and you have a time to reflect on, on what is actually happening. And you realise that this is a very extraordinary behaviour because there is far more meat eating going on in chimpanzees than there is in any other species of primate than humans.

NARRATOR: Goodall’s discovery was a revelation. But then she found out they did something else that was far more chilling, they killed their own kind. In the sixties the group that Goodall studied split in to two fractions, Kasakela & Kahama. The rivalry between the two turned in to a bloody civil war.

Prof RICHARD WRANGHAM: It was in January of 1974 that we first had this report of one of the males in Kahama, Hodi, being attacked by a group from Kasakela. He jumped out of the tree, he ran but they got him, somebody got a foot, somebody got a hand, they pinned him down and then they beat on top of him. The attack went on for more than five minutes and by the time they let him go you could hardly crawl away. And Hodi was never seen again.

NARRATOR: One by one the males in the Kasakela group killed every male and some of the females in their neighbouring group. Only a few years before the victims had been their constant companions. In total a third of all male deaths at Gombe were at the hands of other chimpanzees. Richard Wrangham’s student Martin Muller recently discovered how brutal chimpanzees could be.

Prof MARTIN MULLER (Michigan University): It was in August of 1988, so we were with our ten males and they were patrolling. We could hear them screaming and very excited, and we heard them pounding, it sounded like they were pounding on the ground. And we realised that, that our chimps were with a chimp from their neighbouring community that they had killed and the pounding that they were doing was on his body, they were still pounding on his chest, and it was horrific. The whole front of the, of the chimpanzee was covered with thirty or forty puncture wounds and lacerations, the, the ribs were sticking up out of the rib cage because they’d, they’d beaten on his chest so hard. They’d ripped his trachea out, they’d removed his testicles, they’d torn off toe nails and finger nails, and it was clear what had happened, was that some of the males had held him down while the others attacked.

NARRATOR: Slowly it dawned on scientists that chimpanzees were not like us just because they could think, reason and use tools. They were like us because they could be cruel.

Prof RICHARD WRANGHAM: There is a sense in which this looks sadistic, the, the joy, this is kind of hard to take you know because again it’s got horrible echoes of what happens with humans at times. The males who attack, they do seem to take a certain joy in the attack, their drinking of the blood sometimes, or the biting, gripping with the teeth of the skin on part of the arm and then rearing the head back and taking the skin with it and tearing it all the way around. They look as though they’re in a state of, of intense excitement and maybe joy.

[Gank]

Dont forget the mink, them things will have a go at anything for no reason at all.

*had a run in with one

[Flipside]

Stoats as well, vicious little devils, damn things'll have your fingers, hungry or not.

[Gank]

Stoats arent so bad, they'll run if they see you, the mink will sit there watching you then follow you for over a mile. bad bad little ****ing bstards, lost 3 rabbits and a cat to one of the ****ers.

[Flipside]

Ouch! We don't get much trouble with Minks round here, but we Did have a Lynx loose in the Park nearby for a good few months before the RSPCA finally caught it with drugged meat.

It's at times like that a pair of Mink Gloves sounds like an appealing idea

Edit : Actually the whole 'drugged meat' thing was hilarious, in the first three days of putting it down they found a total of 12 cats unconcious around it and no Lynx. They finally had to ask all the cat-owners to keep their cats indoors until the thing had been caught

[Gank]

Theres a mink farm about 7-8 miles away, while back there was no demand for the furs so the owner let the whole lot go, now he buys them back at 20 euro a carcass. More trouble than they're worth to catch though.