[Kie99]

What's Nano Jumping?

You know, when a ship is in a battle and then suddenly it jumps out and reappears near a weaker part of a ship.  For Example, in a (Made up by me) user-made campaign:
A Colossus is in a fight with a Sathanas, the Sathanas is at 75% hull and the Colossus is at 25% Hull, the Colossus jumps out and ends up behind the Sathanas, shoots a BFGreen at the LRed on the Sathanas's arse and then proceeds to toast the Sathanas.

Why is this Stupid?

Because if the Colossus did that then the Sathanas would just enter subspace and emerge facing the Colossus again.  The Colossus wouldn't be able to move behid the Sath because it would need to recharge its jump drives.

Nano Jumping almost always puts you at a disadvantage.

Almost?

Well I'll give another example, this time from Inferno.

The EASD Nemesis (A big nasty ÜberDestroyer) is alreaady in the area and then the GTCa Independence (A semi-Juggernaught) enters the battle area in a good position to destroy the Nemesis (Nasty ÜberDestroyer).  The Nemesis then jumps out and emerges on a weaker flank of the Indepence (Semi-Jugg) The player then has to destroy some beam cannons on the Nemesis.  The reason a nano-jump would be advantageous to the Nemesisis because the Independence has just arrived and has no energy left in its subspace drives so it can't just nano-jump into a better position.

[Taristin]

Ok.

So don't use it, then.

[Kie99]

I won't, I'm just trying to persuade others not to because it annoys me, looks stupid, and is unrealistic.

[TopAce]

Where was this used in FS2?

[pyro-manic]

Um, the entire game is shockingly unrealistic. And I can only recall two instances of tactical subspace jumps - the Nemesis/Independence encounter at the end of INF and in the Boomerang mini-campaign - so it's not as if it's prolific...

[Jal-18]

Better question is: what credentials do you have to be ordering us not to do certain stuff?  Don't like it?  Fine, don't play it.  I don't think the mission designer will be terribly upset.  But you have no right to be telling everyone else what they can and can't do.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by kietotheworld
I won't, I'm just trying to persuade others not to because it annoys me, looks stupid, and is unrealistic.

In your opinion.

I personally don't use nano jumps because I didn't see any evidence that they were possible in FS1 or FS2 and I have no desire to add new ships to the game which are capable of doing it (Or saying that old ships have now been retro-fitted to do them).

However if someone wants to say that ships in their campaign can do it I'm certainly not going to argue. If a ship can perform a nano jump there are a large number of occassions where it would prove very useful. Especially against an enemy ship that has jumped in and therefore has uncharged subspace engines.

Quite frankly I don't see what the problem with nano jumps is.

[Kie99]

Originally posted by Jal-18
Better question is: what credentials do you have to be ordering us not to do certain stuff?  Don't like it?  Fine, don't play it.  I don't think the mission designer will be terribly upset.  But you have no right to be telling everyone else what they can and can't do.

I'm not ordering you not to do anything, I'm just saying that its very unrealistica and offering some friendly advice.  I'm sorry if it came acroos in another way.

[TopAce]

Originally posted by karajorma
In your opinion.

I personally don't use nano jumps because I didn't see any evidence that they were possible in FS1 or FS2 and I have no desire to add new ships to the game which are capable of doing it (Or saying that old ships have now been retro-fitted to do them).

However if someone wants to say that ships in their campaign can do it I'm certainly not going to argue. If a ship can perform a nano jump there are a large number of occassions where it would prove very useful. Especially against an enemy ship that has jumped in and therefore has uncharged subspace engines.

Quite frankly I don't see what the problem with nano jumps is.

Not to talk about that the nano jumping ship and the newly arriving ship MUST have the same values everywhere(hull, subsystem strengths, cargo, etc.)

[Carl]

Originally posted by kietotheworld
unrealistica

now don't tell me that doesn't sound like a modern art movement from the 1970s.

[Taristin]

What's the point of this thread?

[TopAce]

Telling negative opinion to people about nanojumps. It's almost like a feedback thread.

[aldo_14]

nanojump is, IMO a bit of a pandora's box, because it can be abused horribly to have ludicrous and annoying situations.

But, it's also got use as a plot device - in particular, if you need to negate the effects of powerful node blockades.

[Nuclear1]

Are we talking about jumping in and, after only a matter of seconds of being in a certain mission, jumping right back out?

I'll reference both Derelict's Auriga-smash-through mission and the Iceni jumping in under the Colossus in the main FS2 campaign if so.

[pyro-manic]

No. Tactical jumps, like a ship that is being attacked jumps out, and reappears behind the ship that was attacking it. So short-range, real-time jumps where a ship jumps from one place to another in-mission.

[Mongoose]

I always wondered how the Iceni managed that insta-jump.  Was it some inherent property of that ship, like quickly-recharging jump drives, or did the crew just divert a massive surge of power to jump engines in a desperate attempt to make the fast escape?

[Nuclear1]

Ah. Yes, that it stupid, but I agree with everyone else in this thread as well.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Mongoose
I always wondered how the Iceni managed that insta-jump.  Was it some inherent property of that ship, like quickly-recharging jump drives, or did the crew just divert a massive surge of power to jump engines in a desperate attempt to make the fast escape?

I wouldn't be surprised if the Iceni was purpose-built to be a blockade runner, myself.  Given it's purpose, and it's small size (for a command ship for an entire rebellion), it'd make a fair bit of sense if it was designed to run rather than fight.

[pyro-manic]

Depends where it jumped from. Perhaps it was only a very short distance from where it started to the portal, so it didn't use much power? So it would still have reserves left. Or perhaps it did just put all power to engines, instead of weapons (I'd imagine the power normally used for beams would be quite substantial). And it wasn't really an "insta-jump"...

[IceFire]

You won't see any tactical jumps in BWO.  Nothing in a small distance anyways.  I always figured the subspace drives that power this sort of thing aren't 100% accurate and that accuracy varries inversely in proportion to distance.  So its easier to make a good jump over a longer distance within the gravity well of a star than to make a short jump which will be highly erratic.