[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by Jetmech Jr.


Well, watched the Ep. 2 Slave 1 fight, and I don't know where the hell you guys came up with 20 Kt. Not counting the fact that MANY of those bolts were impacting Obi-wan's fighter (which would have been obliterated, IIRC, if the bolts were approaching 20 kilotons), all that Jango managed with his lasers was to destroy very small rocks, up to have the size of his fighter. And there were many, many instances of several bolts impacting the same rock.

Actually, the most accepted figure is 2 kilotons. And maybe it wasn't obliterated because the shields and hull of the Jedi starfighter were so strong that they could withstand direct hits from kiloton-level blasts?

Also, the intact circuitry under the hull breaches indicates that the Jedi starfighter has a shield layer under the hull as well as over it.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Lynx
Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to SpaceBattles.com.

It's far worse than that. Welcome to SpaceBattles.com's vs Forum. The place that makes the rest of spacebattles.com look normal.

[NGTM-1R]

Hmm...no rebuttal, Woolie?

[Woolie Wool]

To what? Karajorma's just trolling.

[karajorma]

Nope. Not trolling Expressing an opinion. I'm registered at spacebattles. I avoid the vs forum like the plague.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Originally posted by Woolie Wool


Actually, the most accepted figure is 2 kilotons. And maybe it wasn't obliterated because the shields and hull of the Jedi starfighter were so strong that they could withstand direct hits from kiloton-level blasts?

Also, the intact circuitry under the hull breaches indicates that the Jedi starfighter has a shield layer under the hull as well as over it.

Ah, well 2 Kt is a more reasonable figure, I think...

Now if only I could get you away from the whole 200 Gt figure, then my mission would be completel...

[Woolie Wool]

Whether you like ICS or not, Base Delta Zero requires gigaton-level firepower. The SPK is rated in the gigaton range as well, so why should an ISD that can do the same thing be rated much lower?

[Jetmech Jr.]

Because 1: The effects witnessed in the SW movie don't come close to rating that kinda firepower for Turbolasers (contradiction)

2: The ISD is 1.8 Kilometers long, IIRC. The SPK, IIRC, covers half a planet.

3. Same as #1.

4. Same as #1.

5. 200 Gt over 120 Turrets equals 24 Teratons per volley, IIRC. Whats the Recharge rate on Turbolasers again? 1-7 Seconds?

The damage output in the movies isn't even close to that, so essentially, same as #1.

IIRC, Movies > Literature in terms of canon.

[Woolie Wool]

1. Since the movies didn't explicitly say "No BDZ", the BDZ stands. Besides, the guns fired in the movies are light TLs. The heavy TLs were fired only in ROTJ, at other ships, and at too long a range so see anything. An ISD has 120 light guns but only 6 heavies. The light turbolasers' yields have been pegged at anything from a few megatons to a few hundred megatons.

2. First of all, the ISD is 1.6 km, and second, that doesn't matter.

3. Same as #1

4. Same as #1

5. There are only six heavy turbolasers on an ISD, and again, the only time we see them, it's from too far a distance to observe anything, especially if the TLs strike shields.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Originally posted by Woolie Wool
1. Since the movies didn't explicitly say "No BDZ", the BDZ stands. Besides, the guns fired in the movies are light TLs. The heavy TLs were fired only in ROTJ, at other ships, and at too long a range so see anything. An ISD has 120 light guns but only 6 heavies. The light turbolasers' yields have been pegged at anything from a few megatons to a few hundred megatons.

2. First of all, the ISD is 1.6 km, and second, that doesn't matter.

3. Same as #1

4. Same as #1

5. There are only six heavy turbolasers on an ISD, and again, the only time we see them, it's from too far a distance to observe anything, especially if the TLs strike shields.

1.Yet the firepower witnessed can in no way be in the Gigaton range, therefore "No BDZ" is a necessity, because BDZ requires many many MANY times the damage capabilities witnessed.

2. Your point was "If the Shadow PlanetKiller has Gigaton weapons, why not the ISD?" My point was that it's far easier to believe something half the size of a planet has gigaton weapons rather than something I could walk across in an hour

An Acclamator transport's heavy turbolasers are rated at 200 gigatons per shot

Ok, so instead of a Warship Armed with 200 Gig all around, with 800 Gig heavies, we have a ship armed with 800 Gig Heavies and 100 Meg lights.

And a transport capable of melting continents with its guns in minutes.

Somehow, this doesn't seem ANY BETTER AT ALL

And I know for FACT  I heard someone say the light turbos are 200 Gigatons...

[Jetmech Jr.]

Aha. Found it.

The Episode II ICS states that the MEDIUM TURBOLASER on the Acclamator TRANSPORT SHIP is 200 Gigatons per shot. The main guns on the ISD, a battlecruiser will obviously be much higher than 200GT per shot and according to official and cannon evidence of the movies, turbolasers can shoot once every second or so.

Well, medium, but the point stands.

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by Jetmech Jr.


1.Yet the firepower witnessed can in no way be in the Gigaton range, therefore "No BDZ" is a necessity, because BDZ requires many many MANY times the damage capabilities witnessed.

2. Your point was "If the Shadow PlanetKiller has Gigaton weapons, why not the ISD?" My point was that it's far easier to believe something half the size of a planet has gigaton weapons rather than something I could walk across in an hour



Ok, so instead of a Warship Armed with 200 Gig all around, with 800 Gig heavies, we have a ship armed with 800 Gig Heavies and 100 Meg lights.

And a transport capable of melting continents with its guns in minutes.

Somehow, this doesn't seem ANY BETTER AT ALL

And I know for FACT  I heard someone say the light turbos are 200 Gigatons...

I don't know where you get this ****, but only the heavy turbolasers are 200GT+. The others are orders of magnitude weaker. Think more like 800+ gig heavies and 20 megaton lights. Also, we NEVER see the heavy turbolasers used on non-ship targets except in Base Delta Zero scenarios. Besides, there's still the Eclipse, which is an instant planet killer. Also, the SPK is not half the size of a planet. It is much smaller, and stretches out like rubber to envelop the target planet.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Originally posted by Woolie Wool


I don't know where you get this ****, but only the heavy turbolasers are 200GT+. The others are orders of magnitude weaker. Think more like 800+ gig heavies and 20 megaton lights. Also, we NEVER see the heavy turbolasers used on non-ship targets except in Base Delta Zero scenarios. Besides, there's still the Eclipse, which is an instant planet killer. Also, the SPK is not half the size of a planet. It is much smaller, and stretches out like rubber to envelop the target planet.

Well, I get this **** from you, no offense :

The heavy TLs were fired only in ROTJ, at other ships

And I took your "couple megatons to couple hundred megatons" estimate, and chose something in between. Why all of a sudden is it 20 megs?

800 Gigaton heavies is still, quote, bull, end quote.

And I have no idea what the Eclipse is, but if it uses said 800 Gt heavies, it's as bull**** as the rest

[Woolie Wool]

Uh, its main armament is a superlaser in miniature that does a BDZ instantly. It's similar in size to a Super Star Destroyer. Since there is no direct contradictory evidence, the Eclipse is there and admissable.

Plus there's the Sovereign, which does the same thing.

And then there's the Galaxy Gun, which is a giant FTL missile launcher. It can send a planet-destroying (as in BOOM, it blows up) missile anywhere in the galaxy.

And then there is the Sun Crusher, which needs no further explanation.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Well, since I have no reliable first hand information, I can't speak on the matter.

Like I said, My only real problem is with the multi-gigaton Turbolasers.

[Woolie Wool]

The Galaxy Gun could just send a missile through the wormhole linking the B5 and SW galaxies and blow up Centauri Prime.

[Jetmech Jr.]

The whatuma what?

[Woolie Wool]

And then there's the Galaxy Gun, which is a giant FTL missile launcher. It can send a planet-destroying (as in BOOM, it blows up) missile anywhere in the galaxy.

I bet you really hate the EU now.

[stithe2000]

Originally posted by Getter Robo G
did you say "on" as in part of the crew???  I had enough trounble with ships pasing THROUGH the DS cause it was too big. Plus ships attacking itwould cause a crash. I was hoping to make a few stages. stage one is  a targetable model for long distance (plus set turret object for cut scenes or fredded fire beam events for SPECIFIC ships destruction. Later using pieces from XWA make tubes for the trench run (I did some tests pretending the DS interior was SDF-1 guts. it was, interesting... half success half failure. In the end for a PROPER trench run I figured i'd have to wait for teh ground mods to get done so as to use those techniques and make the DS surface like that a seperate mission stage (so in toital you had the initial mision plus like 2 red alret types to tie them together for the Death star mission. I'm not sure if they are still doing that but the SW team was thinking along similar lines long ago.

I have done it vefore with another model.... First off... You have to increase the mass (that is in the pof model) then you have to edit the density in the tbl files... After I played with it for awhile I had a real good working model.... PLUS... the core will be the main which will allow for slow movements.... And complete turret layout... I have beenb playing with this for awhile!

[Jetmech Jr.]

Originally posted by Woolie Wool


I bet you really hate the EU now.

I despised it to begin with. But, yes, this makes it worse.