[Flipside]

Thing is, the Star Wars Universe is thousands of years older than the B5 or Star Trek universes. And their technology database is really screwed, the amount of power even a standard Star Destroyer would need to keep up a battery of weapon-fire is something like the power of a small star. We're talking Omega particles here.

[Woolie Wool]

The reactor medium is called "hypermatter" and the output of an ISD has been compared to that of a star.

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by Jetmech Jr.


I despised it to begin with. But, yes, this makes it worse.

Just wait till you see the Sun Crusher! A fighter-sized ship that blows up stars! It's lost tech though, because Kyp Durron fkew the only one ever built into a black hole. The dumbass.

[Jetmech Jr.]

From now on, the movies are the ONLY canon sources. These ****ing Authors can't be ****ing trusted to write decent material.

Assuming, of course, you aren't just ****ing with me.

By the by, IIRC those novels also provide yet ANOTHER contradiction to the 200-800 Gt turbolasers.

The list grows ever larger...

[Woolie Wool]

No, you cannot dictate the canon policy. The creators of the unvierses involved dictate it.

Also, BDZ cannot be dismissed because it has occurred multiple times in the SW timeline.

More evidence of SW's power comes when a single transport fleet took away a planet's entire oceans and the Empire enlisted one private shipping company, Black Sun, to carry out raw-material gathering for and supervise construction of DSII and the Empire had almost completed the project in a matter of month, despite the fact that one company was transporting all the materials and the project was totally secret until the plans were conveniently "leaked" to Bothan spies under Palpatine's orders so as to lure the Rebels into a trap. Were it not for the mother of fluke victories, the Empire would have won.

Even without BDZ calcs, the Empire would win because of (a) the MT-level calcs derived from the TESB asteroid scene, (b) the obscene number of ships the Empire has (25,000+ Star Destroyers and possibly millions of smaller ships), the superweapons the Empire has (Death Stars, Eclipse, Sovereign, Galaxy Gun, World Devastators), and several B5 scenes, including the 2MT nuke scene, the Excalibur-vs.-asteroid scene, and others.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Originally posted by Woolie Wool
No, you cannot dictate the canon policy. The creators of the unvierses involved dictate it.

Also, BDZ cannot be dismissed because it has occurred multiple times in the SW timeline.

More evidence of SW's power comes when a single transport fleet took away a planet's entire oceans and the Empire enlisted one private shipping company, Black Sun, to carry out raw-material gathering for and supervise construction of DSII and the Empire had almost completed the project in a matter of month, despite the fact that one company was transporting all the materials and the project was totally secret until the plans were conveniently "leaked" to Bothan spies under Palpatine's orders so as to lure the Rebels into a trap. Were it not for the mother of fluke victories, the Empire would have won.

That first bit was a note to myself. There are several fan communities that do not use novels as canon sources, because, in much the same situation as here, they contradict each other and the movies.

BDZ can be dismissed because, as I said, the Firepower displayed in the Movies (greater canon source than novels) does not support such outrageous outputs. Note: It has occured in the NOVELS, AFAIK. I don't recall any mention of BDZ in the movies

That's great and all, but what does it have to do with power? All it really seems to mean is that they have some considerable economic and transportation capabilities. So what's your point ????

[Woolie Wool]

Think about how much ****ing energy it takes to bring "planet-encircling" oceans up into space and haul them away in spaceships. Fursthermore, the TLs according to the TESB asteroid scene are each 10 times more powerful than the nuke that blew up the Minbari warcruiser Black Star. And those are the ship's secondary armament.

You think the EU is a pain in the ass? Maybe we should try a Star Trek TOS debate, where firepower can be sub-kiloton in one episode and teraton the next. And where Kirk becomes invincible when his shirt is ripped.

[Jetmech Jr.]

So? It says nothing about firepower, which is hte only point I'm trying to get through.

Wow, you must be reading something other than me. Apparently the ESB reference you're refering to is the "asteroid vaporization" example right? Well, Dr. Saxton puts down calculations which seem seem to be within the kiloton range unless my arithmetic is wrong.

I don't doubt you about ST:TOS. Yet it has absolutely no bearing on my points.

[Woolie Wool]

The fact remains that EU is largely canon, and comprises the vast majority of the body of canon. Besides, if you refuse to play by any rules other than your own, you're not really debating. Accept the validity to the EU or I'll be forced to accept your concession.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Originally posted by Woolie Wool
The fact remains that EU is largely canon, and comprises the vast majority of the body of canon. Besides, if you refuse to play by any rules other than your own, you're not really debating. Accept the validity to the EU or I'll be forced to accept your concession.

So now it's "accept what I say, or I plug up my ears and go 'la la la'?"

What exactly is the EU again?

Bah, in any case, I said I don't accept novels/comics as canon. However, that counts for squat when you fail to address my other points regarding contradictions to the movies.



And the EU can be as canon as it wants to certain people. But if something it says contradicts the movies, that 'something' gets the boot.

[Woolie Wool]

EU = Expanded Universe, All of it is canon, unless it causes really big problems with the movies. You cannot conveniently erase BDZ from the canon, because it involves weapons (heavy turbolasers) that have barely ever been seen, and never against a planet, of which the movies provide pretty much no information (keep in mind that despite the long range of the ships in the Battle of Endor, the ROTJ novelization called that range "point blank").

And what makes you think BDZ will never appear in the movies? Lucas adopted Coruscant from the EU.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Point blank? Yeah, so?

Now, turbolaser (providing a conveniant 800GT output of energy) hitting the ground would be a disaster beyond human imagination. First of all, while burning through the atmosphere, it would heat up the air to billions of degrees (comparable to a supernova) would cause a sudden expansion of the air so rapid that first of all, it would create a sound shock that's basically thunder (caused by the air being heated up to 10,000 degrees by lightning) x 1,000,000, shattering virtually all non-flexible material for hundreds of miles. Then the wind would be so strong that you wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Imperial Palace fly by.

Next, after it hits the ground the rock on the surface would immediately expand into a plasma fireball, like a nuke, because if the footage is to be believed in Star Wars, the energy is absorbed very rapidly, so it would end up vaporizing everything anywhere close to it.

But most of all, the worst damage would occur from where the turbolaser bores into the ground. The rock is also heated to billions of degrees and expands at insane rates. But this is a solid material, rather than a gaseous substance, so the result is FAR more catastrophic. The expanding and superheated plasma expands and utterly shatters the surrounding rock. This would create both gigantic cracks bursting through the crust of the planet shooting out ultra high-speed, billion degree plasma throughout the area. Then after that, a huge seismic shockwave such that humans have never imagined occuring would propogate under the surface. This shockwave, being relatively shallow beneath the surface would create even more shattering of the crust (think taking a sandbox, and doing a whip motion). And since the wave moves through a solid material, it is transfered very far and quickly, ripping apart all foundations and structures, as well as natural landmarks (mountains etc.) for hundreds if not thousands of miles. Oh and I almost forgot that the shockwave would also cause any tension in the rocks to be released causing even MORE earthquakes.

And that's from ONE shot.

This is the effect those "800 Gigaton Turbolasers" would have on a planets surface. 1 800 Gigaton blast would be sufficient to hull a SSD stem to stern, no matter what kinda shielding or armor it has.

I really did enjoy reading Cannikin's posts, as quoted above. They make it so much easier on my fingers

[StratComm]

Woolie, there's no way your profile is accurate.  Unless you have an IQ of less than 50, anyway.

[Ace]

 [SIZE=24]DARTH NIHILUS!!!!111[/SIZE]

[Hk-50]Sarcastic Statement: This thread is now officially stupid.

Rhetorical Query: Why have the moderators failed to engage their assassination protocols against this thread yet?[/HK-50]

[Jetmech Jr.]

Nihilus is easily the best Sith Lord ever...actually, he's just a little better than Revan w/ Cloak and Mask. But still, that's saying a lot.

And who really cares if you think the thread is stupid? It's a discussion.

[Taristin]

Correction: this thread has been stupid. It just now has Ace's seal of approval.

[Anaz]

I find it amusing that BDZ rearranged becomes DBZ...

[Raptor]

Woolie, I'v just spent the last half-hour reading this thread.  I have just one comment....

....Shut up.  Now.


Now, back to the original point of this thread....

The Xover I'd like to see would be:

Original BSG + Stargate SG-1 + Farscape

Of course, I have to point out that that combo is the brain child of a talented man who has posted his story at Fanfiction.net, and any mod that combined these three should follow his vision.

[stithe2000]

OK... I'll look into it!

[NGTM-1R]

Originally posted by Ace
[lvlshot]
[Hk-50]Sarcastic Statement: This thread is now officially stupid.

Rhetorical Query: Why have the moderators failed to engage their assassination protocols against this thread yet?[/HK-50]

That's HK-47, you.

Woolie, I've already given a contradictory novel canon example. I can dredge up more if you want. Give up. You can't win.

EDIT: Friggin' timewarp...