[Crazy_Ivan80]

Originally posted by vyper
Jesus Christ are you people for real - the cries of "big bad russia" only worked when we were under the foolish impression we in the west were the "good guys".  

Points to Eastern Europe...


We (the West) definately were the good guys back then.

And we still are.

[Grey Wolf]

The US has to stop playing the "we're liberating the world!" card. What right do we have to interfere with other sovereign nations?

[Gank]

Nope, you never were, right from when you were massacring the indians and using black slaves to pick cotton.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Gank
Nope, you never were, right from when you were massacring the indians and using black slaves to pick cotton.

[Flipside]

Good Guys and Bad Guys, it's amazing how we reduce the world to the level of a movie isn't it?

[Gank]

Basic psychology, my country is good therefore I am.

[NGTM-1R]

Originally posted by Swamp_Thing
When will Mankind get over this "we against them" mentality?

We need the Vasudans to discriminate against first.

[vyper]

Very true. Just like Star Trek - Vulcans arrive and we suddenly group together as one race. What we need are those giant space ameobas  that Tiara mentioned.

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by Grey Wolf
The US has to stop playing the "we're liberating the world!" card. What right do we have to interfere with other sovereign nations?

If they're not nice to us and have nuclear weapons or want nuclear weapons and are close to getting them, or is a state sponsor of terrorism, we have every right to interfere with the "we're not going to let you blow us all up" card.

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80


I pity* the naive fool who thinks the Russians are friends of the West.

They weren't really our friends even when Yeltsin was in office.

Originally posted by ngtm1r


We need the Vasudans to discriminate against first.

Death to the Zods!:D

Originally posted by Gank
Nope, you never were, right from when you were massacring the indians and using black slaves to pick cotton.

Well, right now those Indians are ripping the less intelligent Americans off with casinos and Jesse Jackson is extorting millions of dollars from businesses. At least we don't shoot people for saying "capitalism sucks" like the USSR did (in the case of "communism sucks") and Iran does (in the case of "Khomeini sucks").

[Flipside]

So it boils down to 'Blow them up, because they don't like us and might blow us up' (remember, we are applying Terrorist opinions to entire nations here).

Hmmmm... Seems to me that what is demonising the East is more the West's assumption that they think along the same lines as us and would try to screw us over if they got the chance.

But, does that say something about us, them, or mankind in general?

[Genryu]

Originally posted by Woolie Wool


If they're not nice to us and have nuclear weapons or want nuclear weapons and are close to getting them, or is a state sponsor of terrorism, we have every right to interfere with the "we're not going to let you blow us all up" card.

So, by your definition, nearly every country in the world could attack America then
America has nuclear weapons,used them already, and Bush want to research way of making them more usable last time I heard.
I won't bother to list all the guerilla, 'freedom fighters' and other niceties the USA has funded.
And America is once again proving it's ready to interfere in sovereign country.
So, tell me once again, why would you have the right to attack other country, and not the reverse, other than the might is right reason ?

[Grey Wolf]

There's a difference between trying to protect your nation and invading other countries while pretending that you're doing it to make them more "free".

[Woolie Wool]

Iraq was in material breach of UN Security Council Resolution 1441 due to its obstruction of UN inspectors.

[Flipside]

Well, if theres one reason I wouldn't apply to the Iraq War, it's any kind of UN Resolution. Simply because then you have to consider all the other countries that are in material breach of UN resolutions.

Besides, the UN isn't a ping-pong game, you can't call them ineffectual and corrupt one minute and then say 'They told us to do it' the next

[Acer]

Iraq was in material breach of UN Security Council Resolution 1441 due to its obstruction of UN inspectors.

Your excuse for invading a country is that it didnt comply with a UN resolution?

I mean its not like the US ignored the UN when they invaded Iraq is it? Oh wait....

[Flipside]

Thing is, bombing and invading someone to install a more compliant ruler is more the sort of behaviour I'd associate with the people America claim to be fighting against.

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by Genryu


So, by your definition, nearly every country in the world could attack America then
America has nuclear weapons,used them already, and Bush want to research way of making them more usable last time I heard.
I won't bother to list all the guerilla, 'freedom fighters' and other niceties the USA has funded.
And America is once again proving it's ready to interfere in sovereign country.
So, tell me once again, why would you have the right to attack other country, and not the reverse, other than the might is right reason ?

Because that's the way politics works. Might makes right. Politics is a global dick-measuring contest.

But we don't plan to commit genocide like Muammar Khatami or Abu Musab al-Zarqawi do or Sodamn Insane used to do (and he actually tried to execute his plans).

[Flipside]

Choice is a funny thing, as long as we choose to believe the Ape with the biggest Stick (our beloved Alpha Male) is the one that calls the shots, the closer we get to our Primate cousins and the further we pull ourselves from what we are trying to be

[vyper]

No thats the way the current world works, not politics.  You don't change things by sitting on your anus saying "thats just the way things are".