[Ghostavo]

Originally posted by kietotheworld
What difficulty do you play on?, you shouldn't be able to get to the node in an Ursa without cover unless you play on very easy.

Try it, an Ursa in any dificulty will get to the node with no effort.

[Cobra]

Especially with all power diverted to engines

also, when i first got to that mission (some 4 years ago, and i can't believe i still remember this) I made it to the node with a Ulysses on Hard.

[Kosh]

Originally posted by Nuke
everyone knows that the best way to kill a lucifer is with a self destruxt sexp

Here is a better way: Have Alpha 1 fail the mission 5 times and then the Lucifer is gone.

[Ghostavo]

Not in FS1 you don't

[Cobra]

The cool thing in FS2 is you can cheat without having to restart the mission, and we can beat "Clash of the Titans" easily. No worries about losing.

I also just thought of something else that could beat the Lucifer's shield: it's own Flux Cannon.

[Kie99]

It can't, try using cheats to bring up the Super Laser in FS1, then fire it at the Lucifer.

[Mad Bomber]

The Obirians' Annihilator Beam from Nodewars-2 could have.

Problem is, being a subspacial weapon (albeit shoddy and experimental) it would have attracted Shivans like moths to a lamp.

(That is, in fact, what happened -- months before the battle of Tau Ceti even occurred. The Annihilator Beam was carved in half by a Rakshasa cruiser in the Battle of Porinos.)

Meh. Both the Salvation and the Goliath would have been too slow/vulnerable to use the Annie-Beam against the Lucifer.

Someone ought to re-upload NW2 for general reading, so people know what I'm talking about.

*sigh* nostalgia

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by kietotheworld
It can't, try using cheats to bring up the Super Laser in FS1, then fire it at the Lucifer.

Um.... that's because of the 'invincible' tag, though.  It doesn't actually mean it wouldn't work in 'reality'.

[Kie99]

Well the GTA and PVN must have tried their most powerful weapons on the Lucifer, therefore many ~2GT Warheads couldn't damage it.  And numerous GTs of weapons seem to be more powerful than the Shivan Super Laser

[WeatherOp]

I know what could destory it, Omni's Huge astroid.

[Cobra]

oooooooo, collision damage.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by kietotheworld
Well the GTA and PVN must have tried their most powerful weapons on the Lucifer, therefore many ~2GT Warheads couldn't damage it.  And numerous GTs of weapons seem to be more powerful than the Shivan Super Laser

Ahh. But the weapons didn't all impact at the same time in exactly the same place which means that the Lucifer could easily have had the time to equilibriate/recharge its shield.

[Kie99]

OK well the GTVA used weapons that are a small portion of the Super Laser's damage, and no damage at all was registered on the Lucifer's shields.  completely impervious, not extremely resistant, to all of our attacks.

[TrashMan]

Nothing is completely impervious...if one bomb doesn't do it, throw 10! 100! 10000! 10000000000!

Sooner or later it *will* fall.

that's way I didn't like Independance Day... they launch a nuke at the aline ship and it didn't even scratch it...

[Kie99]

AFAIK the Lucifer shield is completely invulnerable outside of subspace.

This may sound like a no-limits fallacy but the theory goes that it has a subspace sheath shield, which sends all of the attacking energy into subspace. Therefore nothing other than a specialised subspace explosion could beat the shield outside of subspace.

That's my theory on the matter.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by kietotheworld
OK well the GTVA used weapons that are a small portion of the Super Laser's damage, and no damage at all was registered on the Lucifer's shields.  completely impervious, not extremely resistant, to all of our attacks.

Like I said the bombs didn't hit at the same place/time. Probably if someone had been there in a science ship taking readings they might have noticed the fluctuations in the shield in the milliseconds it took to adjust.

A fighters scanning equipment on the other hand probably wouldn't.

[pyro-manic]

I didn't like it because it was a crap film

I think that the energy required to penetrate the shield is magnitudes higher than what can be delivered by the GTVA's weapons (or at least Terran and Vasudan weapons in FS1). Whether the Colossus' beams could have damaged the Lucifer is a matter for speculation (I personally don't think they would inflict any substantial damage - maybe a couple of percent, but no more). I think the key to beating the shield lies in subspace technology - perhaps inducing some kind of subspace field around the Lucifer would destabilise or disrupt the shield, allowing weapons to pass through. Speculation of course, and the GTVA has no such technology, so it's not likely to happen.

[Dark RevenantX]

Open a subspace vortex inside the lucifer.

[Cobra]

Sabotage.

[WMCoolmon]

sabotage-subsystem
-- SD Lucifer
-- hull
-- 101%