[redmenace]

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/05/breaking2453432.0569444443.html

ROFL

[BlackDove]

The situation is so wrong in so many ways, it'd be sad to start talking about it.

[redmenace]

Well I find it hilarious from a business and economic perspective. The US has sunk billions of both Private and Public money in R+D of the internet. Why should we not have such a strong presence on the internet.

@ The Chinese, how about this, you start paying for software and Intellectual Property and we will relingquish control

[Rictor]

Intellectual property is bull****. You can't own an idea.

The difference is, you oppose international control of the internet, I oppose any control of the Internet. Its not there for Country A or Person A to profit from or control, its for everyone and by no one.

[Unknown Target]

AKA - China wants everyone else to contorl it, so they can have an excuse to.

It's funny, and it'll never go through

[Kazan]

i cannot believe im defending IPs rights... but supply someone batty enough ...



Intellectual Property rights are REQUIRED - just not as we have them now - you have the rights to stories,art,code etc your created - that's "intellectual property" as well as the bull**** uses of IP

eliminate the bull**** uses, keep the good uses - but unlike rictor's laymen's opinion there ARE good types of IP rights

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Rictor
Intellectual property is bull****. You can't own an idea.

Then how come people can steal them?

[Bobboau]

anyone can run the internet, just get a huge volume of content on servers you own. the nature of the internet is ungovernable realy, the US no more governs the internet than China, though they should fear it's ability to erode there power over it's people, I had a nice Chineese girl contact me over ICQ a few dozen times, I got the distinct impression that she was less than fully satisfied with her situation.

[Rictor]

That depends, good for who? Good for the person or organization that created it is not the same thing as good for everyone else. It also depends on you definition of IP. There are various things that may or may not fall under the category of IP, depending on who you ask.

As for what redmenace was most likely reffering to, namely software and such, I say that one of two cases is possible. Firstly, you have the genral protocols and stuff that keep the internet functioning. Those don't belong to anyone, since they are so widely used and indispensible, as well as enabling a service that by its very nature rejects ownership or control, therefore being self-contradictory. Secondly, you have software, like the kind that is widely pirated in China and pretty much everywhere else in thr world, and my opinion on that ranges from "screw em, I'll steal it if I can" for things like Windows or Photoshop, to "it would be nice if someone paid them, but you can't really (en)force it" for products by smaller independent developers.

Though generally speaking, yes, IP rights are "good", just not here specifically.

Originally posted by aldo_14


Then how come people can steal them?

Read that sentence again and try to spot the contradiction..,

[vyper]

See this is why politicians shouldn't be allowed near a pooter. They generally begin inserting each others heads up various anuses.

[Kazan]

that's better rictor

[phreak]

Originally posted by vyper
See this is why politicians shouldn't be allowed near a pooter. They generally begin inserting each others heads up various anuses.

doesn't this happen anyway?

[Bobboau]

yes, but I would rather they did it somewere away from my computer

[redmenace]

Originally posted by Bobboau
anyone can run the internet, just get a huge volume of content on servers you own. the nature of the internet is ungovernable realy, the US no more governs the internet than China, though they should fear it's ability to erode there power over it's people, I had a nice Chineese girl contact me over ICQ a few dozen times, I got the distinct impression that she was less than fully satisfied with her situation.

If you have heard half the stories of workers in China that I have, you would be apaulled. The individual is promised, things by the Gov't which never come to fruition such as pensions. I am a big fan of efficiency, but when the workers wages are shrinking and the Communist Official is getting richer, something is seriously wrong. It is slavery.

As per the internet, I think they are complaining since there are many US companies with major web presence.

As per the developement of protocals such as TCP/IP, of this sort of work is done in the US, in particular, academia.

[Grey Wolf]

The question is why should the U.S. government have control over the internet? Actually, why should any organization with an agenda beyond maintenance of the internet have control over it?

[Rictor]

Originally posted by redmenace

If you have heard half the stories of workers in China that I have, you would be apaulled. The individual is promised, things by the Gov't which never come to fruition such as pensions. I am a big fan of efficiency, but when the workers wages are shrinking and the Communist Official is getting richer, something is seriously wrong. It is slavery.

As per the internet, I think they are complaining since there are many US companies with major web presence.

As per the developement of protocals such as TCP/IP, of this sort of work is done in the US, in particular, academia.

Without getting into a political debate: welcome to the real world. Things aren't as black and white as you would imagine. Sure, China is still worlds away from where it should be, but its not the Stalinist dictatorship some think it is. Its heading in the right direction, and furthermore I think that when it gets to where its going, though slower, there is the distinct possibility that it will be in better overall shape than most others. As for the government being generally corrupt and self-serving, so is pretty much every other one to a lesser and greater degree, yours included. Most nations have some sort of censorship and government intrusion, and many far worse than China.

But thats a tpoic for another day...

[redmenace]

Originally posted by Grey Wolf
The question is why should the U.S. government have control over the internet? Actually, why should any organization with an agenda beyond maintenance of the internet have control over it?

Mainly for the reasons stated prior. The US forked over of money for R+D. However, I will say that the US gov't doesn't control the internet muchless maintain it. For the most part it is maintained through said academia, private companies(including microsoft), and private individuals(cough cough open source).

[Bobboau]

yeah we own the hardware, that's were we get the right, there is nothing stopping you from building your own internet and running it however the hell you like. if your in a nation capable of getting the internet than you are a nation capable of configureing your routers to go around us.

[redmenace]

Yes the nature of the internet is such that it is not centralized. But of work done on standards etc. is done in the states and I think that is one side of China's complaint. But then again I am extremely tired and have been awake since yesterday afternoon.

[NGTM-1R]

They're just upset we're shutting down their kiddie porn sites.

...actually, that probably is the reason.