[comic]

Ravana!!!

It has better fire power... just try killing it in your bomber in the nebula and then compare that to killing the demon after the Sath has jupped out in the mission whose name i cant remember. Its almost to easy.

Also it has a compareble compliment of fighters and bombers.

Its designed for attack which is more the stratergy used by the SV's and is thus better suited to the race.

Plus the Demon is just fat slow and ugly!

[Carl]

Originally posted by kietotheworld
80, 000 HP = Deimos
90, 000 HP = Iceni
100, 000 HP = Ravana, Orion, Hecate.
160, 000 HP = Demon
135, 000 HP = Hatshepsut
120, 000 HP = Typhon
400, 000 HP = Hades
800, 000 HP = Lucifer
1, 000, 000 HP = Colossus, Sathanas, Knossos

I checked the Tables again

I thought the Hecate had 120,000 HP

[Kie99]

Anh, just checked now, 100000, oh and I find Ravana killing much easier than Demon killing.

[NGTM-1R]

I personally favor the Demon, for the simple reason that in such a non-juggernaut non-Lucifer situation, the GTVA will simply set up heavy-duty node blockades on the nodes they can use and fire a Meson Bomb down any unstable nodes in the system to keep the Shivans from using those. The Demon can defend itself against a node blockade, but the Ravana is out of luck against those Mjolnirs to its sides.

Also, it has been my experience that the Demon is actually more difficult to attack successfully then the Ravana. (Though neither is particularly difficult.) The Demon has all-around antifighter coverage, and generally more of it. For the purposes of this  comparison we will discount the blob turrets as generally ineffective. (I say that because they aren't dangerous enough for me to memorize their placements.)

The Demon has a forward flak gun and missile battery, two missile batteries and a beam for each side amidships, a flak each for the rear left and right, and a flak for the lower stern.

The Ravana has jack-diddly to defend its front against fighter attack (which is another reason it would rapidly lose its main armament), a flak for each side amidships, another flak each for the aft sides,  a beam for the lower midships, and a flak for the upper and lower stern.

The Demon would seem to come out ahead, except in terms of stern coverage.

[aldo_14]

Arguably, in a true invasion the Shivans would try to advance so quickly that the GTVA doesn't have time to organize Mjolnir or otherwise blockades.  The Shivans seem to concentrate on holding nodes; I'd imagine they'd probably want to grab several systems as quickly as possible - almost blitzkreig style - to the extent that the GTVA couldn't sit back and try and wait them out without sacrificing a vast amount of the population.

EDIT; actually, i wonder if the first Shivan incursion to Gamma Draconis could have been intended for that purpose - or at least to provide a blocking force to stop the GTVA blockading the Knossos node.  They didn't achieve that, of course; but possibly they never expected the GTVA keep the node open and advance, but rather to destroy it and shut them off from Capella.  Perhaps that caused them to move before they were ready to do so - or is that anthromorphising the Shivans too much?

[StratComm]

Originally posted by comic
just try killing it in your bomber in the nebula and then compare that to killing the demon after the Sath has jupped out in the mission whose name i cant remember. Its almost to easy.

It's Bearbaiting, and Helios >> Cyclops in all cases.

You try to destroy a Ravana with Helios torps, and it becomes even more of a joke.  The only saving grace it has is that it's anti-fighter beams stand a small chance of intercepting the warhead where the Demon is more or less defenseless.

[J.P.]

Ravana vs. Demon?

Why not just make a mission in FRED and find out.

[Kie99]

Because its not a head to head situation.  If you gave me the positioning of the ships in relation to each other then I could tell you the winner in about a minute, but this is about which is a better general perpose warship and has more chance of survival.

[IceFire]

The Demon is a battlewagon designed to last in the battle and deal with ships on either side as well as infront.  Its very dangerous...but not ideal in all situations.

The Ravana is a offensive weapon attacking directly and then retreating.  Its not ideal for it to stay in the battle but it can jump in and quickly inflict heavy damage with all weapons at the same time.

The difference between Hecate and Orion are different but nonetheless complementary.  The Orion, like the Demon, is a battlewagon designed to get into a fight and last...taking on ships on all sides.  The Hecate is designed more as a flagship vessel with better defense than offense.  If you're a bomber and you want to destroy a capital ship, the Hecate is much more fearsome than the Orion.

[Kie99]

The Demon is making a comeback in the poll!

[FireCrack]

I  vote Demon

(damned missile batteries)

[Mr. Vega]

Aesthetically, the compact, angular structure of the Demon makes it look like it would be impossible to kill.

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by kietotheworld
Not solely in head to head but as general purpose warships.  Which would be more likely to survive a Juggernaut-less war against the GTVA?

The Demon has better fire coverage and more hitpoints, making it a better warship for anything except frontal assault.

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by comic
Ravana!!!

It has better fire power... just try killing it in your bomber in the nebula and then compare that to killing the demon after the Sath has jupped out in the mission whose name i cant remember. Its almost to easy.

The Boanerges used as the default bomber in "Slaying Ravana" is slow and unmanageable and the available Ursa is even more cumbersome. A Sekhmet flies more like a fighter than a bomber. Bombing the fricking Colossus probably wouldn't be that hard in a Sekhmet.

[InfernoGod]

Ravana, definately. If anybody recalls the mission "Their Finest Hour", a Ravana arrived, and did some pretty heavy damage to the Colossus. Sure, the Ravana was destroyed, but that was expected. Plus, the Ravana looks purely evil. While the Demon may have a stronger hull, the Ravana has heavy forward-firepower. If the Ravana is used strategically, then warping in from any point, the enemy would take devastating damage (considering it warped into beam range). It depends really, but I'd go with a Ravana.

[Mongoose]

I have to admit that I voted more on aesthetics/sentimentality than the actual poll criteria.  (As a side note related to that, how can anyone call the Ravana "deadly-looking"?  Four weak little spikes up front, those red...things hanging out like loose coaxial cables...I always thought it looked fugly. Contrast that to the Demon, which looks something like a huge, bloated, just plain evil spider.  Think Shelob, but with beam cannons. )

As far as usefulness in a war, I'll stick by my vote of Demon.  True, the Ravana has the up-front massive firepower; however, as several people have pointed out, its main beams are very easy to take out in a short period of time.  After that, it's a sitting duck.  In contrast, the Demon has stronger armor, a greater field of fire, and is much more of a hassle for a fighter to go up against.

[Kie99]

Aesthetically the Ravana is much better than the Demon IMO, it got 2 Big thick spikes and those 2 on top, agreed, the other two near the front are rubbish, but those pipes are just scary.

[Charismatic]

Ravana would win, Demon is two big and think. But the demon is not too far behind either..

[Kosh]

and can attack ships coming at it from any direction apart from the back.

It also can't hit anything directly in front of it either.

It has better fire power... just try killing it in your bomber in the nebula and then compare that to killing the demon after the Sath has jupped out in the mission whose name i cant remember. Its almost to easy.

The Ravana in that nebula mission would only be able to kill so many ships if they sat right in front of it. The Demon has one less SRed beam, but the weapons are positioned differently.

[TrashMan]

Originally posted by Kosh


It also can't hit anything directly in front of it either.

What are the chances that a 2km long ship will be placed DIRECTLY in front?
 ust 1-2° left or right and it can shoot... it has great fire coverage...