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Offline Grey Wolf

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Reply #60 on: March 13, 2005, 05:40:08 pm
Maybe his Elite Guard is just there to make him feel more 1337, sort of like the random Sith you fight your way through in KotOR on your way to slicing open Malak.
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Reply #61 on: March 13, 2005, 05:49:21 pm
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Maybe his Elite Guard is just there to make him feel more 1337, sort of like the random Sith you fight your way through in KotOR on your way to slicing open Malak.


Which is really a very crap job.  What must the description have been?

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Salary negotiable based on experiences; we have an extensive dental care package.  Smugglers secretly impersonating loyal servants to rescue space princesses need not apply.[/i]


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Reply #62 on: March 13, 2005, 06:21:13 pm
You forgot:

Must be a clone of Jango Fett. :rolleyes:
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Offline Grey Wolf

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Reply #63 on: March 13, 2005, 06:17:36 pm
Nah, they stopped that. Too expensive. Far easier to put up some propaganda posters and offer some money to poor people to do it instead.

EDIT: As a note, this post goes after Sandwich's.
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Reply #64 on: March 13, 2005, 06:37:54 pm
Yeah, but somewhere along the line they got a training academy, so they stopped being clones, hence they become "stormtroopers." If my memory serves, it was on Carida.
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Reply #65 on: March 13, 2005, 07:32:39 pm
Carida was written / invented before Ep II. But even so, clones may have the same physical abilities as their template, but they still need to learn the skills to make use of those abilities.
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Reply #66 on: March 13, 2005, 08:12:16 pm
Yeah, I know, but the stormtroopers were never intended to be clones, until Episode II came around.  Han Solo trained at Carida, did you know that? It's an academy, much like West Point... somewhere along the line, Palpatine has to take over the cloning facilities and hold them for making clones of himself. Besides, didn't you hear the guy on Kamino saying that they learn everything they need for combat in the cloning center?
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Reply #67 on: March 13, 2005, 08:41:07 pm
Who says that all of the stormtroopers at the time of the original trilogy have to be clones?  That's a full 18 years or so later, a long time for all of those clones to still be around.  The Empire would need a large influx of new troops, so I'm guessing that they trained regular grunts besides possibly continuing the cloning activities.  After all, wasn't it written somewhere that Han overheard some stormtroopers on the first Death Star talking about their families or what they were going to do when they got leave?  Doesn't seem very clone-ish to me.
 

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Reply #68 on: March 13, 2005, 09:31:47 pm
That's what I'm saying... I'm just having difficulty putting it into words. And it wasn't Han; the stormtroopers were talking about vacation spots when Obi Wan was screwing around with the tractor beam.
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Reply #69 on: March 13, 2005, 10:36:12 pm
Leia: "aren't you a little short to be a storm trooper?"

This was said without any suprise or suspicion that he actually wasn't one. if they were all clones, then there is no way he could have been one if he was shorter than the rest, so Leia should have known he wasn't, unless of course she didn't know that they were clones.
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Reply #70 on: March 13, 2005, 10:47:34 pm
I think that Han went to the Imperial Academy as a pilot, not as a stormtrooper. But I agree, I think that probably by Episode IV, the stormtroopers aren't all clones. Probably some still are but I don't see it being that they all are. There's too much evidence saying that they're not.
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Reply #71 on: March 14, 2005, 03:33:01 am
There is rumor that there going to be first Star Destroyers in EP3
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Reply #72 on: March 14, 2005, 04:01:09 am
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Leia: "aren't you a little short to be a storm trooper?"

This was said without any suprise or suspicion that he actually wasn't one. if they were all clones, then there is no way he could have been one if he was shorter than the rest, so Leia should have known he wasn't, unless of course she didn't know that they were clones.


Stumpy clones; they were put in a test tube that was just a wee bit too short fit them in properly.

NB: the Star Wars databank doesn't say they are, and doesn't really say they aren't; http://www.starwars.com/databank/organization/stormtroopers/index.html

It's nice and contradictory.  Which isn't really surprising, as they tend to rewrite that thing every 5 bloody minutes to retcon it..... perhaps the new film will show the cloning tubes in Kamino being destroyed, and solve that little issue.  Either that or a vast clone vs stormtrooper (Empire clones) battle?
 

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Reply #73 on: March 14, 2005, 04:37:25 am
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NB: the Star Wars databank doesn't say they are, and doesn't really say they aren't; http://www.starwars.com/databank/organization/stormtroopers/index.html


Ah, but look:

[q]Height: 1.83 meters[/q]

They're all 1.83 meters!! They've got to be clones!! :p
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Reply #74 on: March 14, 2005, 04:43:27 am
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[q]Height: 1.83 meters[/q]

They're all 1.83 meters!! They've got to be clones!! :p


Nah, that's just the height requirement.  Otherwise they'd have to let Ewoks apply.
 

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Reply #75 on: March 14, 2005, 02:07:41 pm
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There is rumor that there going to be first Star Destroyers in EP3

Those'll be the Victory class, I imagine.
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Reply #76 on: March 14, 2005, 04:14:20 pm
There will be no Victory-class in Episode III, despite they were developed at the end of the Clone Wars. VSDs are the most powerful starships of that era, which is a reason I terribly miss them from this film. I know the reason why there won't be any: This episode focuses on Jedi. As a compensation, there will be more lightsaber battle in this episode than in the other five episodes added.

I wonder... will we see C3-PO's memory erased?

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Reply #77 on: March 14, 2005, 04:42:32 pm
I'm beginning to think that Star Wars is actually the spearhead of a transcendentalist revival movement.
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Reply #78 on: March 14, 2005, 11:10:55 pm
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Nah, that's just the height requirement.  Otherwise they'd have to let Ewoks apply.


Tell that to the poor bloke who banged his head on the doorway of the monitor room in EP IV. :lol:
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Reply #79 on: March 15, 2005, 12:02:26 am
I wonder if Dreadnaughts are going to make an apearance in this, because IIRC weren't they developed and brand new during the Clone Wars?
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