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Offline TopAce

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Oh? Barely noticeable from the pics.
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Offline Flaser

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I still hold that this ships needs a new texture job to bring out the potential in the model - 'till then it will look weird and substandard.
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Greyish, metalish textures would fit this model the best.
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But Greyish, metal textures would not fit the Orion.  Quite frankly I don't see why everyone is complaining about the textures, they are an almost identical match to the original except where they had to be changed for detailing reasons.  Are they perfect?  No, of course not.  But given the geometry and the maps that the Orion uses, I don't think they can be applied any better.
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Offline Ghost

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I don't have any beef with most of the texture stuff... however... someone needs to do something about the weird bits where the spikey things start.... they're all stretched out lengthwise and squished topwise. It's hard to describe, but it sucks.
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I never got quite done with the spikey biuts, if someone wants to do something with them that would be great.
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I hadn't even noticed those.  I'll fix them when I get those retextured turrets.
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Offline Flaser

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Originally posted by StratComm
But Greyish, metal textures would not fit the Orion.  Quite frankly I don't see why everyone is complaining about the textures, they are an almost identical match to the original except where they had to be changed for detailing reasons.  Are they perfect?  No, of course not.  But given the geometry and the maps that the Orion uses, I don't think they can be applied any better.



That's exactly the problem: the textures are identical while the model is not.

You can't use the same generic armor texture for all those added parts - it would look weird and tacked on geometry.
You need new textures to make the additions seem useful or just real - make it so they look like parts with a reason and therefore their texture should be different.

Beside IMHO those generic armor textures are way overused - especially the blue texture with lots of lights.

TopAce I disagree - the purplish blue paintjob is what sets the Orion apart - though it would be indeed better if it were properly armored in a sensible manner (not this overtiling) and then painted.
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The model really is close to identical though.  The purplish lots-o-lights map is actually less-used than it was on the original orion, and almost every region that was blue before is still predominately blue; every place that was primarily lights is still primarily predominantly lights, and everywhere that was the purple lights tile still is as well. There's a little more in the way of cut-out places and such, but everything's about the same nonetheless.  The maps are tiled more, though, but that is something I can easily correct.  As for added parts, they look more like layers of armor than anything else.  Maybe it's the trim; Bob kept the number of maps to an absolute minimum wherever he could, so the trim is using the same light strips that line the runway texture.  I also don't like the idea of adding another texture into the mix, simply because I frankly don't think it would fit (unless it was to replace the trim.  But that's neither here nor there).
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Offline Grimloq

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Methinks you should UV map it...

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Offline Taristin

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Nah, it's easily done, too. Just a pain in the ass to map.
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Offline DaBrain

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Nah, the mapping is not that hard, but texturing it close to the original will be hard.
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*Points at Da-B* That's what I meant. Copy & Paste doesn't work as well as you might guess...
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Offline FireCrack

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Originally posted by TopAce


Blame :v: for it. They assigned beams to multi-part turrets.
As far as that Orion is concerned, it's too different from the original. Why is the nameplate there, not on the other side?


but does that mean we should replicate :v:'s flaw?


I'm not saying the model should be redone because that is'nt worth the effort unless it's being redone anyways.
actualy, mabye not.
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Offline TopAce

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Placing beams to somewhere else impacts the gameplay badly.
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Offline WMCoolmon

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Just redo the turret so it has a cauldron or mirror or something in place of the guns.
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Offline FireCrack

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^exactly what i'm saying. It's obvious that V wouldve put a beamdisc there if the model was new or they werent so lasy as not to rework it.
actualy, mabye not.
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Offline TopAce

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I can't have been the problem. If mounting beams on Old ships were possible, it's also possible that they change some turrets completely. How many Orions did they have? At most 5-6.
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Offline Flaser

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5-6 Orions at most?
Excuse me, but where did you get that figure? It seems quite unlikely.
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Offline Sheepy

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It looks bigger and chunkier than the original, which i like. Its impossing now, like a destroyer should be. :grin:
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