[deep_eyes]

lol

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/05/10/govt.computer.hacker/index.html

[Fineus]

The one that always catches my eye is when research centres, military networks and what have you get compromised.

Surely it'd solve the problem if you simply didn't allow those computers any net access at all. People can't hack in across the net if you're never actually connected to it.

[Rictor]

A minor? I'm impressed.

[kode]

yah, read it on my swedish tech newspaper of choice earlier today.

apparently, the person in question hacked uppsala university and got charged for that last year, and now the fbi's interested in the contents of the hardware that got confiscated, or something like that. pretty impressive for a 16 year old kid, still.

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Kalfireth
The one that always catches my eye is when research centres, military networks and what have you get compromised.

Surely it'd solve the problem if you simply didn't allow those computers any net access at all. People can't hack in across the net if you're never actually connected to it.

the internet's imperative though... everything from placing orders, invoices, shipping notices, it's all done over the internet

[Carl]

SCR1P7 K1DDI3$!!!!

they should make a special government internet.

[Ford Prefect]

There's only one thing to do. We must invade Sweden, and rid them of their weapons of mass destruction.

[Clave]

....and liberate all the blondes, oh and crush all Volvos for recycling into paint cans...

[kode]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect
There's only one thing to do. We must invade Sweden, and rid them of their weapons of mass destruction.

we sacked our nuclear weapons program way back in the past.

[NGTM-1R]

Originally posted by Kalfireth
The one that always catches my eye is when research centres, military networks and what have you get compromised.

Surely it'd solve the problem if you simply didn't allow those computers any net access at all. People can't hack in across the net if you're never actually connected to it.

The truth is that such a thing exists. MILNET. Yes, you could probably hack military networks and research centers, and probably learn something interesting/useful because someone was stupid about not putting the information where it wasn't supposed to go, but the majority of such information is on MILNET, which is a completely seperate, and completely seperated, network from the Internet.

[Shrike]

Originally posted by Kalfireth
Surely it'd solve the problem if you simply didn't allow those computers any net access at all. People can't hack in across the net if you're never actually connected to it.

So he hacked the secretary's computer.  Only in bad movies are a military's computers actually hooked up to the internet.  Nothing of a classified nature is ever on a public machine unless it was put there by error.  That's why cyberwarfare isn't 'the next big thing' because you won't be able to touch the stuff that's actually shooting at you.

[Stealth]

Originally posted by ngtm1r


The truth is that such a thing exists. MILNET. Yes, you could probably hack military networks and research centers, and probably learn something interesting/useful because someone was stupid about not putting the information where it wasn't supposed to go, but the majority of such information is on MILNET, which is a completely seperate, and completely seperated, network from the Internet.

that wouldn't work... it would be impossible for the government to be completely independent when it comes to its internet... the government deals with civilians, and purchases (and sells) in very, very, very large quantities, for all governmental aspects (yes, even military), and the way these transactions take place is all over the Internet.  sure they could keep a large chunk of their confidential stuff offline, but they already do that.

[Bobboau]

Originally posted by kode


we sacked our nuclear weapons program way back in the past.

well better safe than sorry.

[NGTM-1R]

Originally posted by Stealth

that wouldn't work... it would be impossible for the government to be completely independent when it comes to its internet... the government deals with civilians, and purchases (and sells) in very, very, very large quantities, for all governmental aspects (yes, even military), and the way these transactions take place is all over the Internet.  sure they could keep a large chunk of their confidential stuff offline, but they already do that.

You are first, confusing the government in general with the military and related agencies in particular. Second, you are assuming that such orders are made online; they are not. Funds might and probably are transferred that way, but the orders are not placed in that fashion. The military likes paper. It is easier to keep secure and harder to get rid of. Third, the military has long had plans for completely severing their computer systems from the Internet in the event of a war. Three networks exist that are used by the military: the unclassified, common-use Internet, a low-classification interior network that is connected to the Internet but in the event of a major conflict would be disconnected from it and attached to MILNET, and MILNET itself, which is a network completely disconnected from the Internet. None of these, however, are "offline". All connect to other computers. The differences lie in which computers they connect to.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by kode
we sacked our nuclear weapons program way back in the past.

Sort of like Saddam then. Fat lot of good it did him

[Stealth]

two things, both related to each other

1) have you ever heard of EDI/FACNET?  do some research on it....

2) next time before trying to correct me, be sure you know what you're talking about.  i'll come back here later to dissect everything you said and correct parts that need correcting, but i'm too damned hungry and tired to do it right now

[Stealth]

Originally posted by ngtm1r


You are first, confusing the government in general with the military and related agencies in particular. Second, you are assuming that such orders are made online; they are not. Funds might and probably are transferred that way, but the orders are not placed in that fashion.
OK are you sure of that?  The government's pretty involved with EDI and FACNET, basically every part of the order process from POs to ASNs (advanced shipping notices), to invoices, are all send electronically... over the internet.  That's how we do business with the government; and while EDI isn't the only way, it's a large chunk of government business

so yes, orders are placed online...

 The military likes paper. It is easier to keep secure and harder to get rid of.
the DOD is actually the branch that uses EDI more than any other

Third, the military has long had plans for completely severing their computer systems from the Internet in the event of a war.
that may be true.........but we're not in a war, so for now, that point's irrelevant, since it hasn't happened yet, and most likely won't happen for a while.

Three networks exist that are used by the military: the unclassified, common-use Internet, a low-classification interior network that is connected to the Internet but in the event of a major conflict would be disconnected from it and attached to MILNET, and MILNET itself, which is a network completely disconnected from the Internet. None of these, however, are "offline". All connect to other computers. The differences lie in which computers they connect to.
and note that i never stated the military didn't have the power to disconnect itself from the internet in an emergency; i said that at the moment, it's too involved with the internet; if it severed all connectivity, it wouldn't be able to function as it does at the moment

EDI's a massive technology, you should do some research on it.  The biggest companies in the world (and government) have already adopted it, and it's only getting bigger.  Microsoft, home depot, Loews, Walmart, Exxon Mobil, General Motors, etc. etc. etc.