[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Kosh
Here's mine:

1.) How did the SD Ravana knock off so many GTVA capitalships while taking so little damage? The Delecroix by itself should have been able to do a fair amount of damage to it.
 

It sounds better in the briefing.

[Knight Templar]

Suprise attack? Bad tactics? ****ty manuevering on the GTVA's part? Lost in the nebula environment?

It's not that hard to imagine how they could lose a destroyer. It's not like a ****ty FRED mission, you can't just assume that numbers will win when there is a story to tell.

[Black13]

What were the Shivan Com Nodes for

What happened to Bosch

What was the point of nova-ing capella

Where did the Knossos portal go

Where did the nebular knossos go

Here is one that might be answerable though

How long does a trip through subspace take?  Someone who is relatively strong with physics should be able to figure it out based on the info (amount of time) you get to blow the lucifer's reactors.

[Ghostavo]

Originally posted by Black13
Where did the nebular knossos go

Have you played "Into the Lion's Den"?

[aldo_14]

some - but by no means all - of the theories.....

Originally posted by Black13
What were the Shivan Com Nodes for

Possibly part of a long-range communications network that alerted the Shivans to the opened knossos and then co-ordinated the Sathanas armada (the destruction of them explaining the destruction of several Sathani in the nova and possibly the 'failure' - if it was - of what the Shivans wanted to do

What happened to Bosch
Taken by the Shivans.  I personally reckon he (and the rest of the taken NTF) was tortured for information and then torn to pieces.  Some reckon he's brokered some form of alliance/mutual interest between the Shivans and survives.

What was the point of nova-ing capella
Possibly an easy way to seize the system.  Or a way to generate a new nebula for resources.  Or to create some form of 'supernode'.


Where did the Knossos portal go
Into Shivan space

Where did the nebular knossos go
Into Shivan space (again).

IIRC Command states that this region (when entering the nebula for the first time) might be where the Ancients first encountered the Shivans.  I'd expect the last knossos in that chain to lead to that system; perhaps the Knossos in GD was shut down as the Ancients retreated.

(note that this means the Knossos was built after that nebula was created)


Here is one that might be answerable though

How long does a trip through subspace take?  Someone who is relatively strong with physics should be able to figure it out based on the info (amount of time) you get to blow the lucifer's reactors.
Quickly, but not instantly (albiet close to in the case of intrasystem jumps); it seems to depend upon distance AFAIK; I think it's left purposely vague for plot freedom; take the NTF ship being tracked for a wee bit of time before arriving in the very first mission.

[Black13]

Where did the Knossos portal go
Into Shivan space

Where did the nebular knossos go
Into Shivan space (again).

IIRC Command states that this region (when entering the nebula for the first time) might be where the Ancients first encountered the Shivans. I'd expect the last knossos in that chain to lead to that system; perhaps the Knossos in GD was shut down as the Ancients retreated.

(note that this means the Knossos was built after that nebula was created)

Right, I guess what I should have asked was - where in the galaxy were / did these gates take you to.  I know that in FS1 the Ancients talk about how in their home galaxy they found no advanced life, and it wasn't until opening subspace gates to other galaxys that they found life forms of equal power.  

I wonder if the knossoses were actually the gates that left the galaxy and I wonder if the GTVA realized that.

[Ghostavo]

Originally posted by Black13
I know that in FS1 the Ancients talk about how in their home galaxy they found no advanced life, and it wasn't until opening subspace gates to other galaxys that they found life forms of equal power.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Ghostavo

You've never noticed the Ancients monologues?  they talk about exploring to other star systems, conquering other worlds and only after that of discovering subspace.

EDIT; albeit they did discover advanced life in their / this galaxy, only not as advanced as they were.

[q]Ours was a proud people, and always the strongest. For thousands of years our empire expanded. For so long we could imagine ourselves alone in the universe. For so long never did we encounter advanced life. And we travelled faster and further spreading in our galaxy and before long we could see the day when our reachable systems would have been exploited. And then there would be nowhere else to go.
And we discovered subspace. It gave us our galaxy and it gave us the universe. And we saw other advanced life. And we subdued it or we crushed it. In months the extermination of billions of years of evolution on a similar but slower path. With subspace our empire would surely know no boundaries.[/q]

[q]
When we conquered and colonised in galaxies where we had no place the destruction and the anguish and the loss were the clarion call of our doom. And so the destroyers came for us[/q]

I tend to think that's poetic rather than literal story, though;  FS2 makes it pretty clear IMO that the Ancients had a vast empire, but not one spanning the (this) entire galaxy.

[Ghostavo]

The reason for the is that the monologues don't give the idea that:

1- The ancients were from another galaxy (it is a possibility, but not something we can be sure of, and it gives a few doubts about the lucifer clues in Altair IIRC)

and 2- about them only discovering inteligent life outside of their galaxy

[karajorma]

I tend to believe that the Ancients had spead across their entire galaxy.

Ours was a proud people, and always the strongest. For thousands of years our empire expanded. For so long we could imagine ourselves alone in the universe. For so long never did we encounter advanced life. And we travelled faster and further spreading in our galaxy and before long we could see the day when our reachable systems would have been exploited. And then there would be nowhere else to go.
And we discovered subspace. It gave us our galaxy and it gave us the universe. And we saw other advanced life. And we subdued it or we crushed it. In months the extermination of billions of years of evolution on a similar but slower path. With subspace our empire would surely know no boundaries.

It's obvious that the ancients must have had some sort of interstellar (possibly even FTL) travel before they discovered subspace. They say that their limit was reachable systems but in the Milky Way their is no such boundry. A race could spread all the way to very near the core.

The ancients being from another galaxy ties in quite nicely with Petrach's comments about the Shivans trying to get home. Maybe they aren't from this galaxy either?

As for why their galaxy is devoid of life... Am I the only one who can think of a species with a reputation for wiping out entire species which was around when the ancients were?

[Lone Knight]

Originally posted by Black13


What was the point of nova-ing capella.

Black13, my only advice to you is to read the Shivan Manefesto.  It makes very good pointers and answered A LOT of questions I had on Shivans.


I think the Shivans did it for one easy reason.

 Petrach (did I spell that right?)  said in the ending movie something like the nova created a bridge between our world and the Shivan world.  I think the nova created a subspace node, hence the weird subspacy stuff coming from the Juggernauts.  Maybe the Shivans somehow controlled where the node would connect to?

My other thought is that the Shivans were afraid of us!!! May seem incredible, but with the Collossus, they could have thought that we had a fleet of 'em.  They apparently had never encountered a race with (perhaps) equally dangerous technology, and what they coulda believed, just as many in numbers.  They did it for self preservation, maybe to gather more forces to strike when they saw fit?


Hokay, this is my question:

Do you think the the Lucifer had the invincible shields because they were off smoking another race, perhaps with these Shields.  The Luci mighta gotten this tech since it was the flagship of this particular assault force and carried it back home.  On the way back, they were going through unexplored systems on the fringes of GTA and PVN space, and a few scouts accidentily bumped into Terrans and Vasudans.

That could explain why they were so heavily armed with so many fighters, and destroyers, eliminating the idea that they were just "scouts".  I mean, if the real Shivan empire invaded, not just remnants of a mostly decimated assault force, Terrans wouldda gotten their butts whooped.

What do you think?

[Boomer]

Do you think the the Lucifer had the invincible shields because they were off smoking another race, perhaps with these Shields. The Luci mighta gotten this tech since it was the flagship of this particular assault force and carried it back home. On the way back, they were going through unexplored systems on the fringes of GTA and PVN space, and a few scouts accidentily bumped into Terrans and Vasudans.

It would make sense.  The Shivans may have ignored us if they had another target in mind, so it makes sense they were going home and decided to exterminate these two pesky races so they wouldn't have to come back later.  And I think everyone can agree that if the Shivans were really all that concerned about us in the first place we would all be dead by now.

Now here's mine:

1)  In humanity's two encounters with the Shivans, were the Shivans even concerned about our existence and bent on our destruction?  Or are they just trying to get home?  

2)What the **** is Command smoking?

3)Where can I get some?
 
 My current theory is they're supplied by the Snuffleupagans.

[Charismatic]

I new idea came to mind. Maby the Nova was a signal either to other shivans or to the 'bigger problem'. Draw them to us to let us realize what their.. fighting? (If their symptoms.. not sure what that means. Could be with them or agienst them.)

I dont think the lucys sheilds were impenetratable. The colossus with its bigger and many guns coulda smoked it, takeing some damage of corce (Sp?).

What exactly did Petrach say about the nova and shivans and some sort of brige that was stated perviously?

And i sorta agree with the Shivans being afraid of us. We are the only ones who put up a fight, IMO. I dont beleive they thought we had a fleet of them. They knew us enough to know we were weak. They could have curshed us. Maby they had to split cause somethign was following them?

1)What was command smokeing. Hehe. Some pritty good **** IMO.

And for the record, we Did get our butt's whiped around the galexy. And to answer the 'why do our caps fight them head on?' question. It goes like this in the captains mind. "Shivans! Omg! Wtfomgmustkillahhhhrun****mustgoahhhdosomethigndosomethingomgomgomg!" so they charge them. Paranoid if you ask me..

[Lone Knight]

Or, the captains coulda been like:

Will the Technician:  Captain, we've got a target entering subspace.  IFF reads a Shivan target!

Captain: SHIVANS?! I'll tell ya what! *hiccup*  we're gonna charge em' head on, laddies!!!!

Will the Technician:  Ch-charge them, Captain?

Captain: OF COARSE CHARGE THEM!!!! THEY'VE STOLEN THE AQUITAINE!!! WE GOTTA GET IT BACK!

Will the Techician: Captain, we're on the Aquitaine!

Captain: HOLY CRAP!  THEY'RE NOT GONNA TAKE US WITHOUT A FIGHT!!!!! *hiccup*

Will the Technician:  Uh....Gunnery Control, the Captain urges an immediate assault.

Gunner:  Roger that.  Fire at will! I repeat fire at will!

Captain: FIRE AT WILL? *Pulls out gun from Hall Fight Scene*
SORRY IT HAD TO END THIS WAY WILL!!!!!

*Aquitaine, during all this confusion charges headfirst into the Shivan ship, which only ends up to be a SSG Trident Sentry gun...

[Charismatic]

Il give you that, that was funny!

[Goober5000]

"No, do not fire at Will; he is my second mate.  Fire at ________!"

A cookie to whoever can complete that quote.

[Fade Rathnik]

"No, do not fire at Will. He is my second mate. Fire at the Sea Duck!"

tail spin

[Goober5000]

He didn't say "the", but you got it.

[Fade Rathnik]

I went and checked to make sure but you missed the "the" its there

[Goober5000]

Oh?  I'll have to check again, then.