[WMCoolmon]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/06/milk.terror/index.html

[Nuke]

i care for neither

[Solatar]

I don't think it's censorship, since it's not really being forced on them to withhold it at this point. Just take the fine details out of the public copy of the article, seems like what they want.

[Janos]

wtf is this gay >

[Ace]

You know what's even more stupid then censoring the research? (as opposed to implimenting its suggestions)

The fact that the CNN article about it has enough information for the average idiot to do some homemade bioterrorism.

[karajorma]

Yep. I find it funny that the CNN article is actually more of a threat than the original paper.

Somehow I doubt that Osama uses his downtime by flicking through though scientific journals.

[Genryu]

Stupidity in my opinion : "Ho no, they've found vulnerability in the way we do things. Let's censor them instead of trying to fix these vulnerabilities."
Moron....

[Ford Prefect]

Rofflecakes!

[Solatar]

Originally posted by Genryu
Stupidity in my opinion : "Ho no, they've found vulnerability in the way we do things. Let's censor them instead of trying to fix these vulnerabilities."
Moron....

If they held back the release of the complete paper until they fixed the problems, then I'd see no problem. But we all know they won't try to fix it, because living on the edge is cheaper.

[WMCoolmon]

Originally posted by Ace
You know what's even more stupid then censoring the research? (as opposed to implimenting its suggestions)

The fact that the CNN article about it has enough information for the average idiot to do some homemade bioterrorism.

Actually, I thought of that the instant I read the article. I put it down to a liberal bias on the part of CNN.

[Liquid Fire]

Under the most likely scenario, he wrote, a terrorist would buy toxin from an overseas black market laboratory, fill a one gallon jug with a sludgy substance containing a few grams of botulin, and pour it into an unlocked milk tank, or into a milk truck at a truck stop.

They stop just short of telling you which lab to buy it from.

[Admiral LSD]

I don't know about the level of detail in the original paper but the CNN article doesn't really give that much away or at least, nothing someone who *really* wanted to contaminate the US milk supply wouldn't already know. If 9/11 showed the world anything it that these guys can, and do, do their homework.

The part about what toxin to use is like saying "to build a nuclear bomb, first you need Plutonium". Botulin was probably used in the article because that's what the paper said. Realistically, you could use any number of toxins. Any even remotely organised terrorist organisation would not only know this, they would know how to aquire it. Actually, botulin would be easier to aquire than that article makes out. You guys all know what Botox is, right? Yup, Botulin. They use its neurotoxi nature to paralyse the muscles in the face to smooth out lines and wrinkles. OH NOES!!1!! I'M GIVING INFO TO TERORISTS!!!11! ...

The only thing in the article that highlights a potential weakness is saying milk distribution is largely unguarded but I'd imagine that would already be obvious to both you and I and potential terrorists. Short of giving every milk truck and depot in the country an armed guard/escort (which kick up a whole other "right impingment" debate) there isn't an awful lot they can do against anyone really wanting to contaminate the milk supply.

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Solatar


If they held back the release of the complete paper until they fixed the problems, then I'd see no problem. But we all know they won't try to fix it, because living on the edge is cheaper.

[color=66ff00]Welcome to the Microsoft world my friend.
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[Admiral LSD]

...which isn't much better from the "if it ain't broke, 'fix' it so it is" open source world

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Admiral LSD
...which isn't much better from the "if it ain't broke, 'fix' it so it is" open source world

Looks like someone has been suckling from the MS FUD teat again.


The problem with the CNN article is not that gives details that the terrorists couldn't think of themselves but the fact that it puts the idea in their heads in the first place.

[Admiral LSD]

Originally posted by karajorma
Looks like someone has been suckling from the MS FUD teat again.

More like waking up from 7 years of suckling the open source propaganda teat.

[WMCoolmon]

Originally posted by karajorma


Looks like someone has been suckling from the MS FUD teat again.

No, that's pretty accurate. I would use Linux if I could do the same things on it that I could do on Windows, as well as or better than I could do them on Windows.

Unfortunately, while there may be six different players that do musepack, three probably won't even compile, one will crash constantly, one will malfunction if you use the wrong audio system, and the last won't crash but can only play half the file formats of one of the ones that's crashing.

Everyone in the Linux community is so intent on flexibility and customization that there there are very few programs that are intelligently designed, easy to use/install, and do what you'd expect (without crashing). Not to mention that this insistence on 1980s-style file structure is a pain in the ass; sure, all your programs can be run from "bin", but all the help documents are buried somewhere in /etc, and the libraries are in some subdir of /lib. Uninstall not working? Good luck finding all the files for that particular program.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon
No, that's pretty accurate. I would use Linux if I could do the same things on it that I could do on Windows, as well as or better than I could do them on Windows.

How often has Firefox fixed something that wasn't broken?

Notice he said Open Source not Linux. Had he said Linux I might have agreed with him for the reasons you gave.

[WMCoolmon]

Firefox is a subset of OSS, and it and Thunderbird has actually been pretty good about not breaking stuff.

Linux itself has also been pretty good about things.

Once you move away from big-name projects though, things start to go downhill.

[karajorma]

So there's good and bad open source. Not really a revelation.

I just don't like seeng it all tarred with the same brush. Hell look at FS2 Open. Would you say that you're continually fixing stuff that isn't broken?