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Offline Unknown Target

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This is for all you UK airsoft fans out there.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2640221.stm

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5024482.html

http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/guns_replica/index.jsp


Check this link. Apparantly they're even extending this stuff to alchohol:


http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homeaffairs/story/0,11026,1501826,00.html



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However, despite a relatively open mind on the bill from the opposition parties, the most controversial elements in the 54-page bill will be those on monitoring and closing down pubs and clubs within new alcohol disorder zones (ADZ).

This concept was first floated in January, after the government's bill to liberalise licensing hours suffered an unexpected backlash.

The bill allows for councils and the police to charge alcohol outlets within an ADZ to be charged for policing costs, for individuals to be served with a two-year drinking ban if found guilty of alcohol-fuelled violence, and for pubs serving under-18s to face an immediate 48-hour shut down.





A discussion on Airsoft Retreat. Seems some people say it's been passed, others say the opposite:

http://www.airsoftretreat.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=75509&whichpage=1

 

Offline WMCoolmon

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Just so you guys know, we already tried national prohibition of alcohol.

It didn''t work.
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How exactly can you stop someone drinking for two years?
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Offline Kie99

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THere are these pellets you can put in people's stomachs, where they get sick if they drink alcohol.  Not sure how the Human Rights brigade would feel about that though.
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Say hello to bootleggers and increased crime, also organized crime, so have fun!:D
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I am currently VERY glad I live where I do right now...

 

Offline Grug

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Poor sods. No alchohol... what is the world coming to!?

 

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The government wouldn't even dare and try something like that over here,the uproar would certainly send the government crawling back into its little hole. ;)
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Offline delta_7890

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I hear even the cops in the UK don't carry guns.  Oo;  That's a little..um..daring.
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Offline Roanoke

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Seems all the Police are interested in nowadays is extracting money from the public. They don't really seem all that arsed unless there's a fine to be handed out.

 

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Originally posted by Rictor on Nodewar
Britain under New Labour is pumping out oppressive legislature faster than I can keep up, and all of course for the social good. Restrict firearms - fine, seems reasonable. Restrict smoking - all right, I guess it's only fair. Restrict speech - we don't tolerate rascists and bigots. Restrict drinking - can't have drunken hooligans roaming the streets. Restrict and monitor travel - to prevent gridlock. Restrict hiring - to be fair to the minorities. And each one is more or less fair, and they all improve society, right? So what's the big deal? Continue this trend fifty years into the future, and you see the problem.

 

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This is how freedom goes, under the guised of public welfare.

This is one reason I reject the Gov't involvement in society. Their motives might be good meaning but in the end it only screws things up little by little.
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Offline Fineus

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Heh, I agree - I believe anyone who remembers (or cares) already knows my opinion on this country.

To be fair, I can see why this anti airsoft law would come about. I myself own an SA80 BB gun and it looks identical to the real thing from a distance. I'm not stupid enough to walkabout on the streets with it but I'm sure that if I did, it'd be enough to rattle all and everyone. So it probably saves the stupid people from getting themselves shot while wandering around carrying these things.

That said - some of the other restrictions that have come around lately are quite shocking and certainly worrying.

  

Offline Unknown Target

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Yes, but responsible airsoft players don't walk out and wave it around. Rather than going nuts and banning them all, the UK should probably do something like the US: require a large neon orange muzzle on all replica guns. It'd be better than banning them outright, imo.

 

Offline pyro-manic

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I think if you wander the streets waving a gun (be it real, replica or a BB that looks real) around, then it's your fault when you get shot by the plod.

UT: The problem is with the orange muzzles that they can be taken off or painted, so if someone wants people to think it's real it can be done easily.

I'm in two minds on the alcohol thing. On the one hand, I'm fed up of drunken idiots trying to start fights with me on a Friday night, but on the other hand, people should be able to drink if they want. The problem is, people in this country don't see alcohol as an addition to a social occasion. Rather, they go out on the weekend with the intent to drink as much as they possibly can. It's odd.

Some of the other proposals are scary, though - that "black box" car tracking system is unacceptable, as is the whole ID cards idea. If I want people to know where I am, I'll tell them...
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Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by delta_7890
I hear even the cops in the UK don't carry guns.  Oo;  That's a little..um..daring.


It's not particularly necessary in the UK; there is a special division (SO19, I think) who are trained to use and carry guns for responding to firearms incidents. It's rare enough to be major news when it does happen.

 I think part of the reason behind the replica firearms legislation is that people have been killed for brandishing 'apparent' firearms at police; the second is simply that, in a gun-free (relatively) culture the threat of a convincing replica firearm is far greater than in somewhere like the US where guns are, AFAIK, fairly common and easily accessible.

I'm...ambivalent on this issue.  I don't see a real need for airguns, so I'm not exactly gutted.  Likewise replicas; they're not needed for anything (and it does say that there are exclusions, like for re-enactments / wargames, so hopefully said exclusions would be a sensible balance - unlikely for this government, though).

I do think it makes sense to regulate or ban the sales of martial arts weapons, swords, combat knives, etc; i.e. things which are designed for use as weapons rather than having a secondary purpose (such as kitchen knives).  Regulation/registration rather than an outright ban would seem reasonably prudent; the issue of registration *should* put an issue of responsibility upon the buyer; it might be useful in tracing weapons sold on the black market back to a legally responsible owner.

The main issue to me is that, in general, this government is dedicating itself to trying to solve problems without even paying lip service to understand why the problem even exists - why do people shoot at fire engines (etc) with airguns, why do we get bands of ****-faced 16 year olds bottling people, etc.  Ultimately, they're just making a face-effort attempt to remove the problem by illegalising it, when all that ever achieves is to drive it underground and make it even harder to tackle the underlying root cause.

I'm glad I'm not the only person who noticed the insanity of the black-box-in-car 'taxation' scheme.  No-one in the TV news seems to have identified the inherent risk and civil rights issue of having government tracking of every car - despite the debbate over ID cards being fairly fresh inthe minds.

 

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Control the movement of the population, and you control the information they can access in person.
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We are not talking about a complete ban here. Just a ban on 'anyone carrying a replica or air weapon in a public place without a good reason' I think it is a good idea, especially after this - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4317423.stm

 

Offline Unknown Target

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That's an airgun not an airsoft gun. The two are different - you can actually kill an animal with an airgun, an airsoft gun fires at a much lower velocity. An airgun fires at +1200 FPS (feet per second), with metal BB. An airsoft gun fires at about 300 FPS, with a plastic BB. Yet they're still banning airsoft guns. Yes, they look real, but the people who wave them around pretending like they are real deserve to be shot, and they do not deserve to have the gun. 99.9% of airsofters don't do that, but the media only pays attention to the .1%.
Not to mention people like that are pricks, and are not the norm. Punishing everyone because of a few irresponsible people is not the way to go.

 
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Ah. I had never heard of the term 'airsoft' before, so I assumed it was just a different name.

Well, anyway, its still not like its an outright ban. Responsible people would still be able to use them in a responsible way.
However, the story looks different in Glasgow and London, and I think they go too far.

Can airsoft guns still cause the loss of an eye? It looks like it should be able to, given the speed.