[Bobboau]

it's very simple, they are not currently breaking the law, therefore they can not be aressted, if they start to break the law, then they can and will be aressted.

[Kosh]

Originally posted by Bobboau
it's very simple, they are not currently breaking the law, therefore they can not be aressted, if they start to break the law, then they can and will be aressted.

You missed the point. How can they be arrested for breaking the law if no one outside of the militia knows they have broken the law?

[Bobboau]

ok, we don't like something, but it isn't actualy against the law, so lets just assume they are breaking the law anyway and arrest them, I mean darn it's Texas, that's not _that_ far from gitmo, and that's were everyone is going to end up eventualy.

it's in the south, they are conservitive, obviusly it's a bunch of good'ole boys get'n rummed up and going 'wetback hunting'. yehaw!

[Kosh]

Meaning what exactly? (Not that I personally have any problems with bad-mouthing texas)


I'm sorry bob, but I'm not quite seeing what you were trying to say.......

[Bobboau]

you are saying 'how do we know they aren't breaking the law' how do we know anyone is breaking the law, I mean what are you sudgesting that we put them under house arresst? I mean that's the only way to make sure there not going to be put into a situation were they might break a law.

what they are doing is analagous to you sitting in a bad part of town with a cell phone and calling the cops any time you see something bad happen. they are going out into the desert looking for people breaking into the country then calling the authorities in to deal with it and following the people intull the patrole arives. that is what they are doing. there is nothing wrong with that.
you are saying they might start shooting or something, but you can't arrest people baised on what they _might_ do.

[Liberator]

You can if your name is Swamp_Thing or if you are some other ultra-left wing communist nutjob.

I'm sorry that was a personal attack...

That is analogous to "Hate Crimes".  Adding more punishment because the crime was motivated by some prejudice.   Might as well throw the whole damn world in prison if we start punishing people because they are prejudiced.

Understand, I have no problem with immigration.  The illegals have strong familial bonds which is something the USA is lacking right now, but I want them to come in legally.  For their saftey if nothing else, crossing the Mohave with nothing but the shirt on your back is a lethal prospect.

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Liberator
You can if your name is Swamp_Thing or if you are some other ultra-left wing communist nutjob.

I'm sorry that was a personal attack...

[color=66ff00]Yeah so don't do it.

Attacking someone then apologising in the same post is kinda like spraypainting 'sorry I didn't mean to vandalise this wall'.
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[achtung]

Those statistics Swamp_Thing posted are not a very good representation of what violence rages due to illegals.  I mean would you rather have someone on the border engaging the illegals or would you rather them get mixed into a large city where one spark of violence can set of a huge chain of events.  

I can't really give educated answers on things that go on near the border because I don't live there, but all I can say is if the government won't do it someone has to do it even if it is a civilian.  

Still yet I like the prospect of putting patrolmen with a group of civilians, maybe assign sectors.. i dunno.  I do completely agree that vigilantes are very bad but I don't consider the minutemen vigilantes because they are abiding the law as far as I can tell.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Liberator
You can if your name is Swamp_Thing or if you are some other ultra-left wing communist nutjob.

I think you have a strange concept of communism, Lib.

Originally posted by Liberator
That is analogous to "Hate Crimes".  Adding more punishment because the crime was motivated by some prejudice.   Might as well throw the whole damn world in prison if we start punishing people because they are prejudiced.

You seem to be misunderstanding the importance of motive in crime.  By your standard, it would mean that the woman who stabs her husband after being raped or (repeatedly) assaulted by him, has the same legal responsibility as someone who beats up a black, asian, latino, etc person for their race (and soforth for political persuasion, sexual orientation, etc).

We all have prejudices, much as we may wish to avoid them, but that doesn't give an excuse to hurt or kill because of them (and most people realise that).  Policing hate crimes doesn't equate to policing prejudice (the latter is handled by education), but the inability to control it as a normal person does.  

The reason for the exceptional punishments accorded to hate crimes is largely because the motivation is something which is almost impossible to rehabilitate; crimes fuelled by alcohol or drugs give some leeway to rehabilitation (although they still deservedly get punishment), crimes of passion may (this is something that would be evaluated for sentencing) represent a loss of normal judgement, etc.  

But hate crimes, and hate criminals, represent a motivation that is far more 'inbred' and which as a result poses a greater risk to the community and a lesser chance of succesful rehabilitation.

Originally posted by Liberator
Understand, I have no problem with immigration.  The illegals have strong familial bonds which is something the USA is lacking right now, but I want them to come in legally.  For their saftey if nothing else, crossing the Mohave with nothing but the shirt on your back is a lethal prospect.

I'd be slightly worried if you wanted to apply moral/ethical eugenics (beyond the obvious of criminal records) when allowing immigrants in, but I'm sure that's not what you mean.

[Kosh]

You can if your name is Swamp_Thing or if you are some other ultra-left wing communist nutjob.

I'm sorry that was a personal attack...

Yet again with the unprovoked personal attacks. I wonder how much longer until you get your ass banned.

I think you have a strange concept of communism, Lib.

What do you expect from someone who is from Alabama? Intelligence?

[aldo_14]

Easy chief, let us keep it cool, eh?

Point being, I find the use of 'communist' as an insult as amusingly misguided as it is archaic.  I can't help but think it is far more offensive to the user, than the target.

[redmenace]

Originally posted by Kosh
What do you expect from someone who is from Alabama? Intelligence?

[Kosh]

Easy chief, let us keep it cool, eh?

If Liberator can keep making all kinds of unprovoked personal attacks against people without penalty, then why can't I?

But you are right Aldo.

[Jeryko]

Because either way it's against the rules and Lib already got warned (or so it seems) for it.  

There is no eye for an eye on these boards.  Suck it up and dont stoop to his level.

[Goober5000]

Okay, people have been warned.  Anyone else who makes a personal attack in this thread will get monkeyed.

[Taristin]

Goob's a jerk! [ /pushing his luck ]

[Deepblue]

"Monkeyed?"

[Goober5000]

Originally posted by Raa
Goob's a jerk! [ /pushing his luck ]

Monkeyed.

[redmenace]

ROFL

[Liberator]

Eh...it was mostly tongue-in-cheek...I apologize if that didn't translate over like I meant it to.

I'd also like to take this opportunity to point out that it is only in recent years that America has taken such a light, "open door" approach to immigration.  I remember reading somewhere that if an imigrant came through Ellis Island and couldn't read or had other qualities that would have made them a liability on society they were put on a ship back where they came from.  

Like so many things that are assumed to be "rights"(voting for instance), there are a great many responsibilities that go along with them.  Part of the responsibility of those who wish to come to live in this country as a citizen is that they do so according to the law, and to treat those that do not any differently is a kick in the nuts to every person in this country that is currently, or is decended from immigrants(ie almost everyone).