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Offline Unknown Target

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I was just thinking about all of this earlier...
First of all, you should watch Episodes 4, 5, and 6 before you watch 1, 2, and 3. Why? Because the first episodes (4, 5, and 6) take advantage of suprise. For instance, it was so shocking when Vader went "No Luke, I am your father." But if you watch episodes 1 through 3 first, you'll go, oh, duuuhhhh!

It just completely ruins the suprise of that part of the film.

About the questions: it's a 7 year old. Give him a break :p Also, he was talking about Episode IV, none of the other ones (which he hasn't seen yet). In Episode IV the red and gold leaders are morons, although even a sluggish Y wing could defend against a TIE fighter by doing a "barrel roll". In all seriousness, that maneuver saved thousands of lives in WWII, when it was the standard evasive maneuver for bomber pilots when an enemy was on the tail. If you're thinking of simply rolling the plane over in a 360 degree spin, you're wrong; a barrel roll is actually more corkscrew shaped, as the pilot pulls back as well as in the direction he wants to turn.



Lastly, I was thinking about the whole Star Wars one through six correlation, and it just hit me as to why I can't seem to make the connection between the prequels and the old series, why Obi Wan doesn't quite seem like the same Obi Wan, etc.
It's because the prequels aren't really Star Wars at all - the original Star Wars was good vs. evil, space fighters, explosions, but also character. The entire movie had character, right from the actors to the space fights. First off, the characters in the original were actually lifelike, and the ones in the prequel were not. This is why I can't make the connection between the 1D prequel Obi Wan and the 3D original Obi Wan.

Next up is the next major point: the scenes. Star Wars original was laced with interesting little touches, souch as aliens talking in the background, people going about their activities. My favorite example of this is the bar scene - everything is cramped and small, so that it feels like a real bar. It's dark and muddy, just like life. In the bar scene in Episode II (where the assassin is chased down by Anakin and Obi Wan), everything's brightly colored, digital, and completely devoid of life. There's no standard by which you can judge the digital characters: since everything is digital, you can't say "well, this is real, so this must be real too". Instead it's...what IS real? All I see is digital. Many of you have probably heard of the theory that where if a person sees an unrealistic looking thing, they are willing to accept it as real. But if something looks TOO real, almost exactly like the real thing, then they begin to pick for flaws, and the suspension of disbelief is completely destroyed.


George Lucas apparantly thought that the battles in Episodes IV, V, and VI were all about the explosions and the awesome gunfighting. What he didn't realize was that we were actually able to relate to them, because they seemed real for the above mentioned reasons, and the pilots flying them seemed real. Now, everything is glossy and digital, and the pilots seem to exist for the sole purpose of being killed.



Anyway, rant over, sorry :)

 

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Partly, it was those pointless things that ruined the prequel movies: Chewbacca in Ep3 wasn't necessary, R2d2 and C3PO3 weren't necessary at all(C3 being constructed by the future Vader, come on!), Anakin being from Tatooine, Boba Fetts father appearing in Ep II, etc.

One or two things could be coincidence, but it looked like half of the people in the prequels were supposed to be fahter/mother or aquaintances of the people in the old trilogy. This felt so overly fake, like the whole story and settings had been just made that way to include those obvious Star Wars references, as if Lucas was afraid people wouldn't recognize it's star wars otherwise.
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Two new question which came up to me while rethinking the link between EPIII and IV.

I think I already gave sound to this, but originally, Episode III was supposed to be played 20 years before the Battle of Yavin. Well, Luke and Leia were 18 when EpIV took place. Did George modify on the original timeline?

Antilles was already a Captain when EpIII finished. Was he so unskilled that he remained a Captain unil he got killed by Vader in EpIV?
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I thought Captain Antilles was Wedge?

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... R2d2 and C3PO3 weren't necessary at all(C3 being constructed by the future Vader, come on!) ...

The droids purposes are to connect the trilogy.

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Originally posted by Unknown Target
I was just thinking about all of this earlier...
First of all, you should watch Episodes 4, 5, and 6 before you watch 1, 2, and 3. Why? Because the first episodes (4, 5, and 6) take advantage of suprise. For instance, it was so shocking when Vader went "No Luke, I am your father." But if you watch episodes 1 through 3 first, you'll go, oh, duuuhhhh!

It just completely ruins the suprise of that part of the film.

About the questions: it's a 7 year old. Give him a break :p Also, he was talking about Episode IV, none of the other ones (which he hasn't seen yet). In Episode IV the red and gold leaders are morons, although even a sluggish Y wing could defend against a TIE fighter by doing a "barrel roll". In all seriousness, that maneuver saved thousands of lives in WWII, when it was the standard evasive maneuver for bomber pilots when an enemy was on the tail. If you're thinking of simply rolling the plane over in a 360 degree spin, you're wrong; a barrel roll is actually more corkscrew shaped, as the pilot pulls back as well as in the direction he wants to turn.
 


Um...you do realise there are no aerodynamics in space to make barrel rolls work in the same way?

you're right about the lack of 'grit', though; whilst it was expected that some massive war would take place to explain the visual differences between (at release) the first of the prequels and the latter trilogy, there's still that sort of anaesthetic appearance.

 

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[color=66ff00]Wedge isn't a captain in ANH, the 'captain Antillies' was the guy that Vader chokes when the Stormies take the Tantive IV (the blockade runner). As for why captain Antillies remains captain Antillies for so long, any amount of speculation could be done.

I always thought it was kinda ironic given the family ties protrayed in the original trilogy that Denis Lawson (Wedge) is Ewan MacGregor's (Obi wan) uncle. :)
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Originally posted by EtherShock

The droids purposes are to connect the trilogy.

C3PO and R2D2 : Star Wars :: Jay and Silent Bob : Kevin Smith's Jersey Trilogy


There were enough references to connect a dozen movies to the old trilogy. The droids didn't have any real purpose. In the OT, they were integral parts of the plot, but in the new movies they contributed nothing other than doing stupid noises and were subject to abuse for the rotten humor present in the new trilogy. C3PO's head being attached to a battle droids body in AotC was so bad, it felt like Lucas was taking a crap on the audience.
They were suppposed to be funny in the old movies too, but not in a stupid way like now. They also contributed to the advancement of the plot.
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[color=66ff00]I always thought it was kinda ironic given the family ties protrayed in the original trilogy that Denis Lawson (Wedge) is Ewan MacGregor's (Obi wan) uncle. :)
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You mean there's family ties between the actors themselves?
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You mean there's family ties between the actors themselves?

[color=66ff00]Yeah. :)
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Empire enslaved the wookies. Chewbacca only hang around with Han because he couldn't really return to his homeworld and because Han saved his life.
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Notice how the B-Wings have never really appeared in anythin' other than RotJ (cept for the odd dodgy "Interactive Movie") ?

That shot, in RofJ, when the Rebel arrives, realises it's a trap, and you see the flet parting left 'n' right, how supa dupa cool was that bit ? I love it.

 

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Um...you do realise there are no aerodynamics in space to make barrel rolls work in the same way?


Doesn't mean you can't use maneuvering thrusters to the same effect. :p A combination of forward/up/left or right thrust would produce the same maneuver.
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I was actually joking about the barrel roll thing...Starfox64 quote...sorry. :p

And yeah, I think Lucas' big problem is that he was working retroactively, and didn't do anything really startling/creative with the storyline. A lot of the things in Episode 4-6 don't really make sense if you start with the PTs, but, whatever.
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Notice how the B-Wings have never really appeared in anythin' other than RotJ (cept for the odd dodgy "Interactive Movie") ?

That shot, in RofJ, when the Rebel arrives, realises it's a trap, and you see the flet parting left 'n' right, how supa dupa cool was that bit ? I love it.

:nod: That's a great shot.

The B-Wing (and A-Wing) were supposed to be new according to RotJ.

 

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:nod: That's a great shot.

The B-Wing (and A-Wing) were supposed to be new according to RotJ.


The A-wing already existed in the time of the Battle of Hoth, they simply did not get part in the movie.

I mean, in the timeline, obviously the A-wing model was not made while filming the Empire Strike Back.


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you spelled colors wrong
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you spelled colors wrong

[color=66ff00]Nah, remember that anyone that speaks english over in your neck of the woods does so because they took it with them when they moved there.

Ergo you are spelling it wrong. :p
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Must we go off-topic so much? :p
Colour = British spelling
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