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Offline Joey_21

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Discussion: Another Possible Supernova
I'm not sure if this has been brought up before but remember one of the Bosch cutscenes in which Bosch was sighting a star feeding off of another star? Well, I was watching a TV program last night about supernovas. According to that program, the star getting hydrogen (or whatever material) is a white dwarf orbiting a red giant (or maybe two different stars in the cutscene). When the white dwarf feeds off the red giant long enough, the white dwarf will collide with the red giant and will cause a supernova. This could indicate a possible supernova beyond the 2nd Knossos.

This adds more to the mystery. Discuss.

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Offline Sushi

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Discussion: Another Possible Supernova
Could have interesting implications, but I don't buy the astronomy.   Supernovas are purely a factor of mass, and if there is enough combined mass, maybe...but chances are, there isn't.  

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Offline Joey_21

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Discussion: Another Possible Supernova
Two stars running into each other could provide supernova conditions...

 

Offline Nico

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wasn't your second star a black hole?
Never heard about a star feeding from another one...
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Offline Joey_21

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wasn't your second star a black hole?
Never heard about a star feeding from another one...

That's according to what I heard on TV last night...

 

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Discussion: Another Possible Supernova
Mr. Astronomy Fan here...

I'd type all of info about this subject here, but I'll just refer you to this web site since I'm not in the mood right now since several people just got laid off at my company... and I just barely survived.

But not to change the subject, check out the site. There are Type I and Type II supernovas. Yes, stars (binary) can "feed" (one star pulls gas from the other) off each other.

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Offline Raven2001

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Discussion: Another Possible Supernova
Well, supernovas ocurr do to stars getting older, that's one of the stars death scene... the other is expanding to a gigantic, and therefore to a white dwarf and then to black whole... well, when there's a binary star system, these never collid instead they orbit around each other, and I believe(not sure) that they do not exchange matter between them so I dont think that a supernova would occur there....
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Offline Joey_21

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Originally posted by Raven2001:
and I believe(not sure) that they do not exchange matter between them so I dont think that a supernova would occur there....

But we have visual proof in the cutscene that the star is actually feeding off the other star... plus, astronomers know about this too (as I seen last night)

 

Offline Nico

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but i'm pretty sure it's a black hole, since the big star is a normal sunlike one, and the other one is too small to be another star, and you can't have a white dwarf there, coz it means it would have been much bigger before and the 2 stars would have been too close, and then you'll answer that it's the same thing for the black hole, and you're rright, and damn, I have nothing to reply to that, lol
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Offline DragonClaw

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  Aren't black holes invisible?  

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Offline Shrike

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Discussion: Another Possible Supernova
Type I supernovae (I think I got them right) can only occur when there's a white dwarf secondary, a black hole will not cause a supernova.
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Offline Stryke 9

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Hed Munkeez.  

The way I done learnt it, nebulas form systems over millions of years... Never heard the SN part, but I dunno... Maybe the Shivans are sorta regenerating systems, not just destroying them...

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Offline Sushi

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Discussion: Another Possible Supernova
When stars die or when they are first being formed, they are Red Giants.

When low-mass stars die, they become red giants and then collapse into white dwarfs.

When bigger stars die, they have more mass, and collapse further than white dwarfs and the pressure is enough to start fusion of heavier elements, and the explosion of energy from that gives you your supernova. What's left afterwards is a nebula and a neutron star.

When REALLY big stars die, you get the same thing, except instead of a neutron star, you have a black hole. And a bigger nebula.  


Just in case that clears anything up...If the cutscene WAS showing a black hole next to a red giant, a common occurance, then I guess it means that there was a supernova in the area, but a very, very, very long time ago. Billions of years sort of thing.

Oh yeah- REAL nebulas aren't like pea soup. You probably would barely be able to tell you were in one. It would obscure vision, but only VERY slightly. If there was a real nebula like in FS2, it would probably actually be a protostar, where the dust is starting to gather to form a star, but isn't dense enough to have started any reaction.


Just throwing this out on the off chance it helps.  

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Discussion: Another Possible Supernova
Yes, they are Type 1. The white dwarf "feeds" from the other star, getting hydrogen from, and when the amount of it reaches a certain mass it produces a sudden burst. It has nothing to do with collision, and if I remember well, the stars aren't even destroyed, so this circle could go on for several times. This type of explosion isn't comperable with the Supernova explosion, I mean in size.
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Offline Shrike

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Natch, that's a Nova.  A type I supernova does destroy the white dwarf, and type I SNs are in fact overall the brighter of the two types. (a max of only about 10e44 joules emitted)
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Offline Taristin

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...Ok. thats when we know too much on the subject  
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Offline Joey_21

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Originally posted by Raa Tor'h:
...Ok. thats when we know too much on the subject  

I agree. Now lets discuss the outcome of our look on what we know so far about solving the mystery of the shivans.  

 

Offline Shrike

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Originally posted by Raa Tor'h:
...Ok. thats when we know too much on the subject  

Nah, it's called 'I happen to have an astrophysics book with that info.'  
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Offline Taristin

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Bah!
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Offline Carl

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Discussion: Another Possible Supernova
but wouldn't that mean Capella is a binary star system? i'm pretty sure it isn't.
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