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Just saw the movie. I´m really impressed. This movie will go down in history as a cult movie, for sure. The sound the tripods make puts shivers down my spine. Great stuff. I just wish the movie wasn´t so short.

I did found some inconsistencies:
If the aliens died because of a virus or something in our blood, the tripods should have been in the clear. As i see it, there were two kinds. The destroyer tripods, and the enslavement tripods. The enslavement tripods were sucking the blood from humans, but the destroyers were not. So how did they get infected?
And where were the nukes? Why weren´t they used?
And why wasn´t the alien spaceship detected in space? I presume there was one, although we never see it behind the clouds.
And why would they exterminate us, if they needed us as food??

All in all, this movie has become one of my all time favorites.
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Btw, anyone else found the tripods to resemble the ones from HalfLife 2?
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In an attempt to answer a few of your questions (from what I can gather anyhow..)

1 - The virus wasn't human based, it was just basic bacteria and so forth in the air we breath that our species has become accustomed to and therefore immune. The martians didn't have this immunity and so it royally buggered them.

2 - Good question.. I guess the US army didn't want to start nuking civillian populations... or perhaps it would have detracted from the "constantly on the run, no real counter offensive possible at all..." feel of the movie. You saw how it focuessed entirely on one small family.. three people. Suddenly pulling back to nuclear weapons being used would be quite a change in perspective.

3 - I *think* the martians came directly from Mars. I think this is one of those things best left unanswered - it should just be taken as given. Considering the fact they had warcraft burried under the Earth without anyone noticing - lets just assume they can get down to Earth without being noticed as well :)

4 - I don't think they used people for food... I think they used them as a biological fertilizer to convert the planet to more suitable living conditions for them. Evidently - they didn't need everyone around for that.

That's my take on it!

Edit: Say, did anyone noticed the resemblence between the charachter of the artilliaryman in the WotW original audio version, and the paramedic they ran across in the basement?

 

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Actually, the Tripods in Half-Life 2 resemble the ones from War of the Worlds ;)

In the original movie, the Martians arrived in 'Pods' which launched from the surface of Mars in a cloud of green smoke. The pods were pretty much immune to artillery and small-arms fire, and the heat ray could be lifted out the top and used as a point defence weapons whilst the Martian constructed its tripod.

Funny thing is, this feel kind of like a continuation from the Album version of WOTW, where the first manned probe is about to land on Mars, reports puffs of green smoke and then it's just static...

 

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Good movie, but suffers from some nasty logical plotholes..


1. Why didn't the aliens exterminate the humans 1 million yearsa go, instead of waiting for us to develop?

2. Why burry those killer machines in the ground for so long? It makes no sense. In a millin years thetopgraphy would change, or they would be chrushed by the tectonic movements of the main plates...or we would have uncovered one of them, since we dig for minerals and oil and stuff....
and what about that teleportation into the machines thingy?

3. Aliens suck.
Remeber that scene when Tom Crusie was nearly sucked into the machine and became fertilizer? But some granades made it in insted and seriously scr**** the machine?
Hell, gmme a few terrorists with explosives straped on them and watch the buggers light up!
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Number 3 of those isn't really a plot hole... the aliens assumed that they were eating humans and not explosives. Note that they picked up people and put them in their little cage thingy, not crates of explosives? :)

So yes - it's not a plot hole, just a technological faux paus on the part of the machines.

 

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OK, I liked most of the film BUT:

Spoiler:
I've never seen  more of a Deus Ex Machina ending.
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It's not Deus Ex Machina. The whole point was that the aliens had missed something in their planning. In the book it was due to the fact that the Martians had planned the entire invasion without sending so much as a probe to Earth to find out if they really could invade it.
 Why they missed it in the movie could be down to something similar. )


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Well, there's heavy circumstantial evidence that they're from Mars, but nothing is ever stated clearly.


It's not circumstantial at all. The book flat out states that they are from Mars. In several places.

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The early editions of the evening papers had startled London
with enormous headlines:

  "A MESSAGE RECEIVED FROM MARS."

  "REMARKABLE STORY FROM WOKING,"


I think everyone knows that it's the martians. The narrator frequently uses the term when speaking to people in the book.

The full book is available from http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog/world/mirror-redirect?file=3/36/36.zip BTW for anyone who wants to check up their facts without needing a copy of the book.

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The Thunderchild also took down one of the tripods by ramming it, which makes it cool.


Actually she takes out two tripods. She definately rammed one and I can't be certain if she rams the other or whether she shot it.

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She was steaming at such a pace that in a minute she seemed halfway between the steamboat and the Martians--a diminishing black bulk against the receding horizontal expanse of the Essex coast.

Suddenly the foremost Martian lowered his tube and discharged a canister of the black gas at the ironclad.  It hit her larboard side and glanced off in an inky jet that rolled away to seaward, an unfolding torrent of Black Smoke, from which the ironclad drove clear.
To the watchers from the steamer, low in the water and with the sun in their eyes, it seemed as though she were already among the Martians.

They saw the gaunt figures separating and rising out of the water as they retreated shoreward, and one of them raised the camera-like generator of the Heat-Ray.  He held it pointing obliquely downward, and a bank of steam sprang from the water at its touch.  It must have driven through the iron of the ship's side like a white-hot iron rod through paper.

A flicker of flame went up through the rising steam, and then the Martian reeled and staggered.  In another moment he was cut down, and a great body of water and steam shot high in the air.
The guns of the Thunder Child sounded through the reek, going off one after the other, and one shot splashed the water high close by the steamer, ricocheted towards the other flying ships to the north, and smashed a smack to matchwood.
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They say the machines were there undergrouind for a million years, but Mankind exists for far less than that. I think a million years was a bit over the top. It clashes with the geological movements, tectonic plates, and basically the Earth´s bowl movements. And it clashes with the simple fact that they could not possibly been preparing to exterminate a creature that didn´t even exit back then, when they planted the machines.

Another thing i noticed was the abillity of the tripods to shoot through walls, in the begining of the movie, and later they can´t detect Tom Cruise in that basement. Not cool.
And the ending does definitelly reek, they should have elaborated on it.
And if the aliens did come from Mars, why didn´t we detect them? Did they live underground or something? We´ve been scourring the surface of Mars for decades.
Or maybe they realized we were becoming a threat to them, that we were getting too close to confort, and decided to do a pre-emptive strike on us. But since they lost this round, the next chapter of this story should be us going up over there, and pay them in kind.
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They say the machines were there undergrouind for a million years, but Mankind exists for far less than that.  


Who says? One crazy man rambling in a basement doesn't make it a canon fact.
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In the book they came from mars, but I think the deal in the movie was that they were from another galaxy or star system, so it took them millions of years to get here. Doesn't explain the machines, but oh well.


Basically, when Spielberg decided to change the story to make them from another galaxy and not Mars, it opened up a whole can of plot holes that weren't in the book. The book had them coming from Mars, and attacking from Mars - hence why they didn't plan fully. But Spielberg definately showed that they came from somewhere much farther away.

 

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Is there any proof of that though?

Not to be funny, but I didn't see any indication that the aliens weren't from Mars. Indeed - the inclusion of the red weed that rather indicates terraforming on a planetry scale to another certain red planet we know about (Mars.. duh) indicates that they are from Mars.

 

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I think that it wasn't directly stated that they were from Mars probably because there is no way the characters in the movie could have known that.
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Is there any proof of that though?

Not to be funny, but I didn't see any indication that the aliens weren't from Mars. Indeed - the inclusion of the red weed that rather indicates terraforming on a planetry scale to another certain red planet we know about (Mars.. duh) indicates that they are from Mars.


Listen to the opening lines of the movie...I think they hinted that they were from a place much farther away. Not only that, but it does smooth the wrinkles in the plot a bit more if they were.

 

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Number 3 of those isn't really a plot hole... the aliens assumed that they were eating humans and not explosives. Note that they picked up people and put them in their little cage thingy, not crates of explosives? :)

So yes - it's not a plot hole, just a technological faux paus on the part of the machines.


Yes, but that way you can destroy them easily.
Or by ramming them with airplanes or whatever..
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If you rammed them with an airplane, it'd have the same effect as a missile - you'd just detonate on the shield.
Anyway, did you notice the soldier? He didn't have any weaponry. One would use this fact to assume that the aliens probably didn't expect anyone they picked up to have weapons, or they had some way of stripping them of their weapons, and Tom must've been a mixup or a miss (notice also that it was pure luck that they still had the grenades - they were caught on something. Otherwise, they would've fallen).

 

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Ramming them wouldn't work - that'd count as a projectile hitting the shield so I'm guessing they'd take the hit and not any damage at all.

UT - Good point.. I can't exactly remember the opening of the film but you may be on to something there...

 

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Well the "martrians" are far more advanced than humans so naturally they would have some way to blocked us from detecting them,whether its on their homeworld or in space.
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There is absolutely nothing in the movie to indicate where they are from. Morgan Freeman's monlogue at the beginning doesn't say they're from another galaxy. Instead, the visuals in the opening monologue seem to indicate a sphere near earth. Sounds like Mars to me.

I think you'll find in the fossil record organized, intelligent hominid gatherings in the Great Rift Valley (making and repairing stone axes in a factory-like manner) that can be dated to well over 2.5 million years ago. These would be Homo erectus, not H. sapiens, mind. The argument of tectonic plate movements etc is pretty much moot: tectonic upheaval happens at the edges of plates 99.99% of the time. We don't have intraplate tectonic events but seldom. Even then they are fairly localized. The last major one appears to have been the volcanic event that created Yellowstone, and that was well over 600k years ago. More recently, there's been magma wellings in the last two centuries in Missouri and Mexico, but those were extremely localized.

Personally, I'd say that the martians planted their machines well in advance to be ready to secure foothold when they were done with Mars. They would only have to have planted the machines a few HUNDRED years ago. Who had radar or had satellites watching every inch of the globe in 1632? No one. Keeping in mind that humanity CURRENTLY covers approximately 3% of the globe, there's a lot of land out there that remains for all intents and purposes terra incognita. In the 1600s, especially right after the Black Plague raped all of Asia and Europe, killing a signifigant percentage of ALL humans on the planet, there would be ever so much more open space. Artificial meteors with self-constructing ship seeds could be launched from Mars to impact on Earth. They would bury themselves, and the only thought would be "hey, another falling star". Ogilvy was under stress. He doesn't know if the Tripods were under the ground for 10 years or 10 million years. When he said 'millions', he was saying it in the sense of 'a large, finite but indeterminate quantity'.

Why didn't we see them coming to MAN the Tripods? Don't be ridiculous. Anything launched at the Earth from Mars on most trajectories will get to cislunar orbit without ever being detected. The most recent series of Earth rossing asteroids that we know about were only detected AFTER they passed Earth. If we can't detect a rock the size of thirty city blocks, I think we'd probably miss that low-albedo ship on a ballistic trajectory.  Any number of small objects the size of a dump truck could be orbitting the earth right now and no one would know. Zero.

The final and perhaps most important point is the idea that we've been 'scouring' Mars for years. We've only been looking at Mars for a short time. Sure we've sent a handful of probes there, and even dropped five or so landers on the planet, but we've hardly scoured the surface and we haven't even looked at subterranean Mars. Any species sufficiently advanced to set up this centuries long plan, probably did their launches when our satellites were on the far side of the planet, from underground launch complexes (pure speculation, but hey, they've been watching us long enough to prepare a ridiculously powerful invasion).
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All in all though I think having the martians burried as opposed to raining down from the skies like they did in the book was the biggest flaw I saw in the movie.

That said there are explainations for it and it's not a huge problem for me so I can live with it.

That said having them rain down from the sky would have meant that everyone knew they were aliens right from the start as opposed to the way they did it when no one in the crowd knew what they were looking at even up to the moment it started shooting.
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what if that pod thing that shot down wasn't just the driver, but some sort of rapid mater reconfigurer, seen the first eppisode of Zim? like his base.
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