[aldo_14]

This is an inditement against a bloke who tried to break into a number of Us government websites.

anyways, it's censored.

Unless you select all and paste into a word document (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/11/mckinnon_indictment_snafu/)

What amuses me, is that this is the second time this has happened.... you could do the exact same on a classified US Army report - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/03/military_report_secrets/

[karajorma]

I heard about the first case. You really think they'd have learned from that one

[kasperl]

Oh. My. God.

Come on! That's too ridicioulous to believe.....

[Rictor]

Shh, keep it down. Do you want them to catch on or something? If people can just keep their mouth shut, we could be reading classified reports for years!

[Martinus]

[color=66ff00]Who wants to put money on his extradition happening due to Tony and the boys yet again bowing to the Yanks?
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[karajorma]

Bah. If he was hacking in to find proof of UFOs I say let them have him. He'll fit right in over there.

[mikhael]

Maeg, I do hope you are not implying he should get off. I really hope what you mean is that he should be tried there in London.

[karajorma]

I can't see how he could be though even if that's what he did mean. All the computers that were hacked were in the USA.

[Martinus]

Originally posted by mikhael
Maeg, I do hope you are not implying he should get off. I really hope what you mean is that he should be tried there in London.

[color=66ff00]Of course he should be tried but he's a British citizen so he should be tried in the UK according to UK laws.

america has a way of treating other nationalities as 'lesser beings'.


Just as an interesting thought: What would everyone have said had he actually found the evidence that he had been seeking. I'm sure he would have got off. Massive speculation on my part though.
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[Nico]

seems stinky to me for some reason

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Nico
seems stinky to me for some reason

[color=66ff00]It's the american mentality that 'our justice system is best' when it's widely accepted that it's an utter disgusting joke.

Rich people rule, laws are made by inept old men (particularly in reference to computing and the internet) and it's a simple case of a large company keeping a small company in the courts long enough for the smaller company to run out of cash and lose by proxy.
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[mikhael]

I don't know Maeg. I prefer the American criminal justice system to every other one to which I've been exposed. I've lived everywhere from the Middle East to Japan, Australia, Germany, etc. The British have the most entertaining court system, but I'll take the american Justice system any day.

 The joke you're referring to is the American CIVIL justice system, which is not about justice OR truth, but about proving who wins.

As for the evidence the guy is looking for: it doesn't matter if he found it or not. He still broke the law. There's no protection for someone who breaks the law to prove someone else did something wrong. Vigilanteism is the exact opposite of justice.

[Martinus]

[color=66ff00]It's not about protection. It's about the rights of a person to be tried in a fair and just manner according to their citizenship.

Have I missed something or will this guy not be tried under the civil american justice system? If not which system will he be tried under?

I'm also not trying to back this guy's behaviour but irrespective of his crimes was the outcome not an attempt to serve the greater good? In the UK this will aid in his defence (as it should), in america it will be entirely ignored.
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[mikhael]

He'll be tried as a criminal in the US if he's extradited. If he's not extradited, he will be tried as a criminal in the UK. Its pretty simple.

I don't care if he gets extradited, just so long as he goes to trial.

[aldo_14]

I can't help but think of the Kenny Richie case.

Not that the UK hasn't had it's odd one miscarriage of justice.  We're just somewhat lucky in that people rarely die as a result of one.

[WMCoolmon]

Acrobat sucks. Why won't anyone listen to me?

And when it comes to government and computers, I don't trust them worth a damn. Know why? Because they've been validating ever more intrusive methods of poking around people's computers by private companies. Because they've constantly villainized end-users and upheld the companies that are trashing the end-users' computers with spyware.

Further, there's been repeated labelling of the government as all sorts of people as 'terrorists'. But there's no clear definition of what a terrorist is. But if you're labelled a terrorist, then you're most certainly a bad person, no two ways about it.

I can't bring myself to trust a government that runs on fear and anecdotal evidence and the sort of shallow labelling I'd expect to find among a group of freshmen in High School.

[mikhael]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon
And when it comes to government and computers, I don't trust them worth a damn. Know why? Because they've been validating ever more intrusive methods of poking around people's computers by private companies. Because they've constantly villainized end-users and upheld the companies that are trashing the end-users' computers with spyware.

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I can't bring myself to trust a government that runs on fear and anecdotal evidence and the sort of shallow labelling I'd expect to find among a group of freshmen in High School.

You want to fix that? VOTE. Get  your friends to VOTE. Get your parents to VOTE. Talk to people who do VOTE and change their minds to VOTE the way you want. Don't just ***** and whine about the government. Fix it. VOTE.

Did I remind you to VOTE? If not, VOTE!!!!


Sorry, dude, but this is something that pisses me off. Everyone and their brother *****es and whines about how its old white guys screwing over the youth of america. Yet were was the youth of america in the last election? They were a damned no-show.

VOTE DAMN YOU.

[Rictor]

Really? From what I heard, they voted in overwhelming numbers. But the problem is that while your vote is important, it's not nearly as important as your money. And the old white guys have more of it than anyone. That, and the candidates usually tend to be pretty computer illiterate as a whole, regardless or colour or sex.

[Martinus]

[color=66ff00]I don't think you understand mik, democracy is an illusion in america, it's a facade to placate the masses.

Bush's supporters fixed the election not once but twice and it was blatently obvious, any attempt to point this out was quashed.
america is the richest country in the world yet so many live below the poverty line, over ten times more money is given to the military than education.

Keep the people stupid, keep them afraid, keep the money rolling in.
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[mikhael]

You're right abou the military vs education. You're right about the number of people below the poverty line. You're even right about the strategy of keeping people dumb and afraid.

You are, I think, wrong about the the elections. One might have been fixed (the first), but the second was not. Only the most bitter of liberals can even claim that.

Democracy is not an illusion, its a muscle that has been allowed to atrophy  because the people are not exercising it.

Rictor: despite what you might have heard, the 18-25 set did not vote in overwhelming numbers. They voted in unprecedented numbers. One in ten is unprecedented, but its still an underwhelming 10%. All in all, election turn out was up--more voters than ever before, per capita, in the entire history of the nation. It was still far short of even 40% of elibible voters though. Imagine that: Just over one THIRD of American voters bothered to get off their fat lazy asses and vote. If that's not atrophy, I don't know what is.

So, again I say to all you useless bastards: get off your lazy whiny pathetic ass and VOTE. I don't care if you vote for a split Fidel Castro/Saddam Hussein ticket. I just want you to VOTE and quit  your whinging. I'll settle for you just VOTING.