[Jokke_r]

This is a thread where people can ask help and tips on difficult missions.

ATM i'm having some problems with the mission where you are supposed to protect the PSI shuttle from the raiders that come from inside the cargo pods of a freighter. They always manage to destroy the shuttle before i can deal with them since i'm often distracted to a dogfight with another raider and it end ups being a "hold your stick to the far right and turn" fight untill the other guy reaches the screen and you end up giving one or two hits on him.

I'v tried fireing my missiles on the freighter the moment the pods open but no luck!!

Please help me. I really love this TC but i hope the missions could be easier since i'm playing it on the easiest setting. Imo enemy fighters could use a lot less missiles to attack escorted ships on easier levels to give a fighting chanse.  

[I_E_Maverick]

i played the mission today and had some dificulties too, but i managed to get it after some tries

first a dogfight tip, that works well for me: if you are in a dogfight and you see the target flying nearly at you brake a bit to hold up the enemy in your hud. many times the opponent is exactly in front of you after that maneuver and easy to hit

then the mission: i used to do it like this: stay behind the freighter until it gets an enemy and tell your wingmen too attack the enemy. in the meantime you disable the freighter, that should happen quick!
if it is disabled you go for the fighters and try to hit the ones that are heading towards the shuttle, not the ones that are dog fighting. some shots at them and they will leave the shuttle to start dogfighting. if all are in dogfights you get in and try to destroy them.
when you have done that you search for the bomb. try to get the shuttles scanned and then destroy the shuttle with the GOD sattelite, otherwise you die in the blast, so bring enough distance to you and the shuttle!

thats it. a tricky one indeed, but you can do it with some practice

btw: i played it at medium difficulty

[Burns]

Once again I am finding RW more frustrating than fun. Once again it relies way too heavily on being at the right place at the right time, and once again there is no margin for error.

[Pnakotus]

I find the dogfighting much easier than some seem to, but the AI vs AI combat seems very random.  Sometimes, in a given mission, I'll lose perhaps one or two fighters, and other times the same mission will end with me, alone, against almost all the bad guys.  I imagine it's due to the orders I'm giving, but it's very strange to occasionally get raped on a usually-easy mission.

I haven't really found the missions hard: I've been frustrated by the exit-conditions (being near x ship, warpout not working if you're getting shot at, etc) and being run over the the Hermes jumping out repeatedly.  The missions are actually a bit of fun: if you actually think beyond 'kill dem' most of them are easy, aside from the random nature of much of the dogfighting.  Nightmare is an example: if you quickly order your guys, you can destroy all the beam guns easily and the mission becomes laughably easy.

[Lt.Cannonfodder]

The trick with most of the harder missions is to figure out the right way to do it. Always try different approaches, do things in different order, make use of your wingmen etc. Think of it as if you were solving a puzzle.

I know it can be frustrating to play a single mission 10+ times but once you get through it you actually feel like you've archieved something. Would it be any fun if all the missions could be completed with the first try?

[IPAndrews]

You know guys, if you don't like the way Raider Wars does things then you don't have to play it. There's a mission editor there and there are plenty of other people with the game so get swapping missoins between yourselves.

The thing with RW is this. If you don't like the first three missions you're not going to like the rest of the campaign. Since it was all created with the same goals in mind. To intentionally create a difficult / challenging camapign which requires thought as well as accurate shooting.

RW will absolutely not be everyone's cup of tea. Which has always been fine in my eyes because it was never meant to be the flagship campaign of TBP. It just sort of ended up in that position by default when the Earth Civil War campaign failed to materialise. If it doesn't work for you or you find it too difficult then don't play it.

That said I'm happy to offer hints and tips to those of you that actually do want to play it and are happy to accept it for what it is .

[Fragrag]

I usually try getting all my fighters to get on my wing, and then I get behind or above the freighter, once the raiders go loose I tell them to engage. Worked the first time, however, the shuttle got killed in the explosion

[IPAndrews]

Originally posted by Pnakotus
being run over the the Hermes jumping out repeatedly

And for my first hint. Never sit your Starfury in front of a 1.7km long destroyer that you know is about to accelerate into hyperspace.

[Azrael15]

What I did:

As the freighter's pods release the fighters, fire your missiles into the central cylinder bit. With any luck, you may kill or damage several  of them. Those EA missiles have some good splash.

[PSI-KILLER]

What i did was have all fighters protect the psi-shuttle.  Go solo to the jump gate.  As soon as the radier freighter goes red disable and order a fighter wing to engage enemy.  Go fast to catch up and kill from behind.  Then  you should have enough time to find bomb.  I actually had to just wait a minute for the psi-shuttle to dock, i was just flying around.

[Fragrag]

Just a question, can't you delay scanning the freighter, and when the PSI had been docked, scan just then, or the trigger time based?

[Roanoke]

I found some of it to be a pain in the ass, and I made some of it!
Bit I do kinda suck at FS and can only ever be arsed playing on normal. Any higher and does my friggin' head in.

[Jokke_r]

hehhe beat that level now, i never found the bomb so there was a bug, the PSI shuttle succesfully docked with the station then it exploded but i already completed all the goals and just jumped out and got best case scenario from that mission. loony.

[Kiith-Sa]

Just keep making hard campaings, even harder than RW, I like it.
But I think that they should get harder mission after mission, for me hardest was mission 2 and one you are talking about now and end of the campaign was too easy.

[Prophet]

Originally posted by Kiith-Sa
But I think that they should get harder mission after mission, for me hardest was mission 2 and one you are talking about now and end of the campaign was too easy.

Naah... I don't think so.
Did the red army face their biggest opposition in Berlin? No. There are ups and downs in life. I think it's refresing to have a mission in the middle of the campaign where you don't even have to press the trigger...

[IPAndrews]

Originally posted by Kiith-Sa
for me hardest was mission 2

Mission 2 is perhaps the most chaotic mission of the campaign and I made it mission 2 to contast the fairly conventional and linear nature of the first mission. The difference is supposed to hit the player like a brick in the face. Although I'm not sure it works that well.

[Fragrag]

Mission 2 was fairly easy for me, the third keeps frustrating me though, the Venzen dies after only 1 or 2 missiles

[Unknown_Enemy]

Originally posted by Fragrag
Mission 2 was fairly easy for me, the third keeps frustrating me though, the Venzen dies after only 1 or 2 missiles

Indeed. How do you keep alive that sitting duck ? Any hints ?

[karajorma]

Don't try to protect it. Think about it. While the Narn fighters are picking on the Centauri what are they leaving wide open to attack?

[Unknown_Enemy]

ok..ok..
it worked.
not that it prevent me from being offered my a$$ on a plate in later missions.

Superb work. I am impressed with the mission's quality.