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Offline Raven2001

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Ok, its the uhm... welll.... its the Sa... I mean the Sath.... DAMN WHY CAN'T I SPELL SATHANAS ?!?!?!?!?!?
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Offline aldo_14

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I see there's a wee bit of controversy about the "grid" thingies...

Here's the catch: if you look at the lucifer, cain\lilith and nephilim, what do you see?? Lots of triangles. I thought it would look cool if the ravana would have a feature like that, and the only way I found of doing it without breaking the model was this...

The idea will be to have some sort of windows or "flesh" visible beneath the hull. And I guess that seeing those triangles glow in the dark will be cool to see

As for those claws, remember they still need the turrets to be spiky :)


I understand the reasoning, but I'm not sure regularity of structure is particularly Shivan, even if regularity of texture sometimes is.  If I were you, I'd actually take some of those triangles, divide an edge in half, and then add a kink or skew to it so it looks 'warped' (for lack of a better term)

 

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Offline Turambar

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i like the grids

textured, they will look great
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If I were you, I'd actually take some of those triangles, divide an edge in half, and then add a kink or skew to it so it looks 'warped' (for lack of a better term)


Agreed. They'd look much better as broken-up triangles with crooked lines, possibly even with some Y-shaped lines.

And the flesh idea sounds good too.

 

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Personally I think the grids make it look much more like a spaceship and less like a model. Perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea to introduce some irregularity there, though; compare the patterns on the Sath black armor to those on the Deimos or Hatshepsut, and you get the idea.

On the other hand the whole structure that it's framing is pretty irregular and alien, and the triangles are acute enough that it's working out pretty well. I'd like to see that more mechanical aesthetic used on some other Shivan ships, a throwback to the obviously structured but nonetheless alien Manticore, Scorpion and Basilisk.
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I don't mind the grid thingies. I mean, really, what difference does it make? All in all, excellent work. I look forward to seeing what you do with the good old Sath...
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Hmm... about the grid thingies, i think if you took them and made the parst that are currently sunk in stick out instead it would look much more shivan (to me)
actualy, mabye not.
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Ok, its the uhm... welll.... its the Sa... I mean the Sath.... DAMN WHY CAN'T I SPELL SATHANAS ?!?!?!?!?!?


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Actualy to tell the truth, there are only a few places where the triangles bug me, and that is wherte they are either equalatoral or iscosoles. Shivans should alwasy be distorted and contorted, scalene trinagles work best...
actualy, mabye not.
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I understand the reasoning, but I'm not sure regularity of structure is particularly Shivan, even if regularity of texture sometimes is.  If I were you, I'd actually take some of those triangles, divide an edge in half, and then add a kink or skew to it so it looks 'warped' (for lack of a better term)


I'm not sure what you mean, could you be more specific, or say post a pic of something like it??

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Actualy to tell the truth, there are only a few places where the triangles bug me, and that is wherte they are either equalatoral or iscosoles. Shivans should alwasy be distorted and contorted, scalene trinagles work best...


You may be right... I'll give it  a shot :)
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hurry up, man! we want galemp to work his magic on the Ravana! :D
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Gotta polish off the Hecate first. No rush. :D
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Offline Raven2001

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Yeah, no rush... also, I have a job now, so I haven't got all the time I would like to work on modelling...
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I'm not a fan I'm afraid. You've taken a classic Shivan Techno Organic design and ripped out all the organic.
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Offline Raven2001

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No I didn't, not as much as you sound, at least... Look at the "abdomen shell" or at the neck... that's clearly organic.

Now of course, if you say that I intensified the techno portion, I totally agree with you :)
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I really like the shell and neck - they're organic yet still a bit geometric in shape, very in keeping with both the original ravana and shivan design ethos, along with a number of other parts. Kudos for those sections. :)

The girders just completely stick out though - they immediately strike me as way too geometric and regularly shaped to fit in well. Some sort of vaguely geometric skeletal/crab-like form would probably work much better here. As they are they just look out of place.
My biggest gripe is with the pipey/tubey things though. They look like hinged metal rods with spikes on them now - with not even a vague idea of purpose to them the tubing had. :\
Even if you leave the girders as they are, I'd really, really recommend bringing the piping/tubular look back to those parts. They're a very prominent feature of the ravana, and would go a long way to restoring propper balance of technology and organics the shell and neck have.

Overall though, it's very well modeled. :yes:  The only other thing I'd suggest is what Galemp said - to smooth off a couple of jagged poly edges (such as the outlines of the spines and such).
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I'm not sure what you mean, could you be more specific, or say post a pic of something like it??


Whoops, missed this.

Um, this is the best I can do with paint (attached).  IT's not a particularly good example :(, but the general idea is so that rather than have a regulated and perfectly straight type arrangement (which often makes it become obvious that it's created by modeller rather than, say, alien subspace death bringers; i.e. you can say 'he's took that face, bevelled it, and then indented it'), you have a slightly more organic and twisted series of shapes, less rigid and mechanical in appearance.  i.e. it looks wrong because it's not quite straight or perfect, but that's the look you want for the Shivans, really. :)

 

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Oh, got it... I'll give it a shot... when I have some time :)
Yeah, I know you were waiting for a very nice sig, in which I was quoting some very famous scientist or philosopher... guess what?!? I wont indulge you...

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