[IceFire]

Thank you Shrike for making a realistic look at the Colossus!

I look at it three ways:

1) The Colossus was a symbol of Terran/Vasudan Accomplishment.  The ship helped win the NTF rebellion by demoralizing the enemy, and boosting allied moral.

2) It boosted the economies of both species and provided jobs for all of those unemployed after The Great War.

3) It was a viable warship that fell only to the largest of the Shivan vessels that obviously outclassed it.  Most of the Shivan vessels outclass their GTVA counterparts anyways (except the Moloch) so the Lucifer performed to design specfications and even surpassed them.

Not a blunder.  A good move.

[Shrike]

Now that we have that out of the way, we can follow it along to the logical conclusion; Should the GTVA build one or more replacement vessels?

[Jabu]

Since they already know about the multiple Saths, I don't think they'd be willing to throw money at another Colossus.

Probably build a lot of smaller ships instead.

[Arnav]

Or just have a gun platform like the Golgotha in BWO which is much less expensive than the Collosus, and have a smaller crew. Also, it would hopefully be less expensive. It would have a large support fleet, perhaps made up of only cruisers and corvettes, as the weapons platform would be able to take care of larger threats.


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[Shrike]

The problem is, anything smaller than a Colossus would get eaten alive by a Ravana.

If you assume that they're not going to develop the kind of obscenely powerful weapon that is the meson cannon, something the size of the Colossus is the only thing that could take on Shivan fleets and survive intact.

[Arnav]

Well, then the escort fleet should go into position first, take out the defenders, and then sortie the big gun. Risky, yes, but bang for buck. The ship shouldn't be a stick-around type, hit and run.


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[NeoHunter]

In my own opinion, I think the GTVA should not spend more credits on another Colossus or some other giant capital ship. They should instead spend it on building more smaller ships like Hecate destroyers, Deimos corvettes and Aeolus cruisers.

With more smaller ships, the fleets of the GTVA would be more flexible.

Also, more ships means more weapons and more targets for the enemy to hit, not just one single target.

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[IceFire]

Golgotha is not at all a ship like the Colossus although the firepower that it weilds makes it a significant threat.

The Golgotha can take on a Ravana class destroyer, but probably not two.  The reinforced armor plating gives it twice the strength that a normal GTVA destroyer has so its well armored, but its still a percentage of the Colossus' hitpoints.

In BWO you will see just how powerful the Golgotha is, but also its weaknesses.  If it gets caught off guard, the Golgotha is in serious trouble since its main beam cannon can only shoot forward.

On the upside, it can take out a ship such as a Sathanas in a well co-ordinated strike, but like the Colossus, it must be a strategic assault...it cannot fight it toe to toe.

[Styxx]

I don't think the GTVA needs bigger weapons. Knowing the Shivan threat after two wars, they should have noticed that brute force is NOT the way against them.

A new breed of smaller and faster destroyers (yet with as much firepower as the current ones or more) would be the perfect solution - allowing rapid deployment of large fighter/bomber strikes, which can exploit the main weaknesses of most Shivan vessels and pave the way for a heavier strike by the destroyer's own main weapons.

[Darkage]

The GTVA needs to make the BFGreen and LRBGreen's recharge rate faster,the it can destroye the sathans just as fast

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[morris13]

 

Originally posted by Shrike:
The problem is, anything smaller than a Colossus would get eaten alive by a Ravana.

Only if you fight it toe to toe. I mentioned this in another thread, but most shivan warships, and the ravana especially, have their firepower very focused to the front. If you stay out of its frontal arc, it can't do diddly.

[heretic]

larger warships are not the answer. what would bring down a Ravana are several smaller destroyers with large bomber wings, and several fighter wings to engage the enemy.

A Sathanas can be brought down easily- have a couple bomber wings take out the arms and bring a couple hash- hath- hath- vaccuum cleaners to pull in the rear. It has one of the largest blind spots I've ever seen.

Either that or put a fully operational hades in there.

[Nico]

the solution? for me, that's a node blockade.put mots of sentry turrets, mjolnirs, and you're done. I bet 12 mjolnir ar less expensive than a hecate. put that, plus lots of small sentry guns/missiles to protect them from fighters, and you can wacth everything from cains to ravanas going down in flames. I don't know how many big hammers you need to take down a Sathanas with low risk... need a try.

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[Styxx]

Specially if you have some new (and very nasty) AAA RBCs...  

[Shrike]

I get the hint.  I'll work on it.  

[Styxx]

* whistles and walks away... *  

[IceFire]

I agree...smaller and more deadly destroyers are definately the answers against the largest of Shivan vessels, especially with the weakness in Shivan weapon placements.

This IS something the Golgotha was designed in mind.

We've got a great mission in the works (Kellan made it) where the Golgotha lays waste to a small fleet of warships.  I won't give much away, and there are reasons why the Golgotha wins so one handedly (the player is always important) but its definately of firepower in a smaller, more mobile package than the Colossus.

[Akira]

I agree the GTVA needs faster ships, if they're fast enuf, when the sathanas fires it could already be out of the way cuz the sathanas don't got slashers, they can't adjust the angle  of the beam while its firing, and the GTVA vessel could fly in behind it and just start firing BFGreens at it. And also Cloaking technology would be of an incredible advantage too. Plus a fleet of these such vessels would IMO would mean the defeat of the Shivans, but as history shows, they always have something up their sleeves... if they have sleeves, then again the Human species is incredibly resilient.

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[Jabu]

Since the Shivans are pretty much immune to any intimidation tactics, which the Colossus was, smaller, practical, flexible destroyers would probably work better.

What the GTVA really needs is better tactics, not better weapons.

[Arnav]

Like surrounding a Sathanas with 30 bombers loaded with Helios bombs, and then launching them.


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