[Stealth]

It's like a ****ing joke.

25,000+ in the superdome without food, water, restrooms, A/C, medicine, etc.  and one woman they interviewed had been standing on the tarmac WITH HER BABY since 7:00 AM YESTERDAY.  every time buses come, everyone fights their way to the buses, and she gets pushed back.  they've got bodies just sitting on the seats with a sheet over them.  helicopters are sent in to help, and after looters on the streets start shooting at them, they back off... no more supplies until they can guarantee a safe passage for the helicopters.

what would i do?  those few people are ruining the chances of survival for 25k people who NEED the supplies.  i say send the civilian helicopters in escorted by apaches.  let the apaches respond to ANY attack in kind.  take one of the carriers sitting in the gulf, swim it to new orleans, and have it launch F16s to sweep the city.

it's being handled like a 3rd world country.  it's so sad.  there will be 10k dead by the time this is over, watch.

“This is a national emergency. This is a national disgrace,” he said. “FEMA has been here three days, yet there is no command and control. We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims, but we can’t bail out the city of New Orleans.”

and it's so true.  read it and weep.  read it and ****ing weep.

[Rictor]

Originally posted by Stealth
what would i do?  those few people are ruining the chances of survival for 25k people who NEED the supplies.  i say send the civilian helicopters in escorted by apaches.  let the apaches respond to ANY attack in kind.  take one of the carriers sitting in the gulf, swim it to new orleans, and have it launch F16s to sweep the city.

You're going to bring in F-16s against a civilian population? An an American one at that, in the middle of a city?

Right. OK. Cause Apaches and F-16s are really great against some pissed off homeless guy with a shotgun. And sending in an aircraft carrier is a completely reasonable and appropriate measure.

[vyper]

According to news reports here from the family of a Scots lad over there with his g.f, gangs are running the stadium with several rapes and a National Guard doing nothing but trying to appease everyone.

[Black Wolf]

From what I've heard on the radio, that's about right. A bunch of foreigners including Aussies were evaced due to rampant anti foreignerism, near random stabbings and rape, basically anarchy. WTF kind of a situation is that for a so called first world nation? Stealth's right - it's a bloody disgrace, and if nothing's being done to stop it, doubly so.

[Ford Prefect]

Am I the only one who expects this kind of behavior from unregulated populations?

[MicroPsycho]

just shoot 'em. they torture those in need of help and hinder/halt and rescue/support efforts and endanger others with weapons, just shoot 'em, it'll make it easier for everyone.

[MatthewPapa]

Originally posted by vyper
According to news reports here from the family of a Scots lad over there with his g.f, gangs are running the stadium with several rapes and a National Guard doing nothing but trying to appease everyone.

Wrong. They are doing everything they can, there just isnt enough of them yet to really make an impact. 10k more are on the way, when they get there conditions will probably start to improve.

There are 65 N.O. refugees that are going to my school right now. they said the government is doing everything it can but things are just basically ****ed out of any possible control right now. Keep in mind that the people that remain in NO right now were the ones either too poor or too stupid to evacuate to begin with; that is why you see the massive amount of disorder present there right now.

[BlackDove]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect
Am I the only one who expects this kind of behavior from unregulated populations?

Am I the only one who expects it from Americans?

[Solatar]

According to the news, armed mobs are attacking rescure operations. I don't care what the humane thing to do to criminals...if a person or group is stopping innocent people from living or being rescued, they deserve to be attacked. Any measures to stop the slaughter of the innocent must be taken. I don't care if these mobs are hungry...they should have looted Wal-mart for groceries instead of looting gun stores dry (I can't readily provide a source because it was on the tv news). They are attacking and hijacking rescue boats, hotels, etc. This is only serving to deter rescue operations, and isn't gaining them anything.

[Bobboau]

see, we don't just send out the tanks on the brown people, this is an American city, just about everyone calling for gunships to bring order here is an American, I want you to remember this next time one of us yahoos says something about leveling some Iraqi city.

for the record, I'm cool with the gunship escort.

[Ford Prefect]

Originally posted by BlackDove


Am I the only one who expects it from Americans?

See, I believe in the equal slavery of all humans to the same instincts. Concepts of nationality are superficial to me.

[BlackDove]

It'd be somewhat ignorant not to drop it in the equation. After all, it is the one country where the government encourages such behaviour.

Naturally, generalising is idiotic, and saying that because the government is making you stupid therefore everyone is stupid would be wrong, but on average, there are more stupid people for sure.

[Ford Prefect]

I entirely disagree. These are people who have seen their environment literally shattered by forces entirely beyond their control. In a sense, their universe has collapsed. Put any population of human beings in such a situation, and I guarantee the same tendencies will manifest themselves. (Note: I am not defending-- simply analyzing.)

[Jetmech Jr.]

Wow. People taking advantage of the disorder and confusion in the aftermath of the hurricane? How surprising.

Honestly, what did you guys expect? They're fairly isolated, there's not much to stop them, and they're armed. I'd expect the same in pretty much any nation, under those conditions.

Although the people shooting the Rescue coptors confuses me greatly. I mean, how stupid do you gotta be...

[deep_eyes]

in a 3rd world country, things would be handled better because the people wouldnt lower themselves to the level that some have done in New Orlenes, which is act like theyre in an episode of MAD MAX!

for the record the louisnana governor has ASKED more times than i can remember for military support (which wont be given more than what we all have heared, which is a cple thousand to 10thousand at most), equipment such as heavy movers (only the national gaurd is doing it right now and they said they NEED MORE), and then u got these armed gangs actin the fool. your right its turned into some city out in the middle east on THE EDGE OF CHAOS. and bush running aorund playing politics isnt going to do anything to fix it. he needs to start JUST DISHING ORDERS, WHICH IS MOVE YOUR BLOODY *******S AND GET THOSE PEOPLE OUT OF THERE!

on the news ive seen SOOO MANY african americans down there its rediculous. lets this be a buncho (not to sound racist or anything) WHITE UPPERCLASS SNOBS (not that some of u arent cool) with control of the country, YOU BEST BELIEVE **** WOULDA BEEN DONE BY NOW!

what they gonna say huh? that they lacked the imagination for this to happen? THIS IS WORSE THAN 9/11 and worse than the Tsunami! The flood isnt going to kill people the most people, its the fuggin climate, disease, lack of water and food, everything else is going to ruin that part of the country for years on end............

this whole situation had me in school on some depressed notion and im here thinking to myself, gee, people are dying in stands, in the streets infront of children and babies and were in class worrying about graphic design. **** bush is having lunch while PEOPLE ARE DYING by the fuggin minute!

if this disaster happened  a century ago, where as the military had MORE control to deploy, theyd woulda been out there already, the army and navy trying to evacuate people without the need for some president to tell them to! the governors woulda sent them in themselves.

hell it didnt take whatever president it was; long to decide send in the national guard to let african americans in the 50's in the south to go to school. theyre citizens, they can go to school whats the fuggin problem?!

theyre americans, why the hell is it taking so long almost 5 days to get anyone out there? BY AIR, BY SEA?! you need armed escort send in some god damned apache's in and if someone wants to play, the Apache pilots wont KID AROUND and wax the idiot who wants to revert into the primal human instinct of being a mad max fan.

-venting over.

[BlackDove]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect
I entirely disagree. These are people who have seen their environment literally shattered by forces entirely beyond their control. In a sense, their universe has collapsed. Put any population of human beings in such a situation, and I guarantee the same tendencies will manifest themselves. (Note: I am not defending-- simply analyzing.)

That is probably true, buy I can't help but wonder if that kind of a view is simply gained by inexperience in observing different cultures and ethnicities.

Surely, you would be doubtful of your own views if you were from the country in question?

But I digress, I know nothing of your experiences.

However, I would tend to still stick to my opinion, considering that I would imagine that the promotion of "fend for self" is enforced to a much higher degree in the US of A than anywhere else.

[deep_eyes]

Originally posted by Bobboau
see, we don't just send out the tanks on the brown people, this is an American city, just about everyone calling for gunships to bring order here is an American, I want you to remember this next time one of us yahoos says something about leveling some Iraqi city.

for the record, I'm cool with the gunship escort.

I SECOND THAT NOTION!

[Bobboau]

Originally posted by Jetmech Jr.
Although the people shooting the Rescue coptors confuses me greatly. I mean, how stupid do you gotta be...

stupid enough not to run for you life when you live in a coastal city 20 feet below sea level and the mother fucker of all huricanes is bearing down right on you?

...maybe...?

[Ford Prefect]

Originally posted by BlackDove


That is probably true, buy I can't help but wonder if that kind of a view is simply gained by inexperience in observing different cultures and ethnicities.

Surely, you would be doubtful of your own views if you were from the country in question?

But I digress, I know nothing of your experiences.

However, I would tend to still stick to my opinion, considering that I would imagine that the promotion of "fend for self" is enforced to a much higher degree in the US of A than anywhere else.

Well, I put my trust in what I have learned about history, government, and behavioral science when I conclude that cultural "differences" are really superficial variations on the same patterns. I certainly believe that there are societies in the world that are better organized than that of the US, (Sweden being one of those), but my point is that no level of organization will succeed in bottling the human animal once circumstances reach a sufficent level of catastrophe.

[Bobboau]

for those of you saying this chaos is because there americans (nice sentement by the way) keep in mind that what you have here is the destilled, purest, most refined stupid that this city had to offer.