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Offline kode

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Offline Zarax

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Originally posted by Grey Wolf
You were supposed to say "bind them", not "enslave them all". What kind of nerd are you?


You haven't seen what software becomes in IBM hands...

"we give linux for free, of course you have to buy our servers and pay $700 for evey machine per month plus our embedded consultant fee"
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Offline Clave

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OK, so you are paying for a crap service? or a good service?

There has to be a fundemental way to resolve this - If people charge ME good money for rubbish, then they don't get any more of my business, simple as that.
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Offline Zarax

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Originally posted by Clave
OK, so you are paying for a crap service? or a good service?

There has to be a fundemental way to resolve this - If people charge ME good money for rubbish, then they don't get any more of my business, simple as that.


Who are you answering to?
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Offline Clave

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Grey Wolf really...

But to anyone who buys stuff in general..
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Offline Grey Wolf

I have no experience with enterprise technical support, so I can't really say.

Zarax: It's a LotR reference. Hence, "bind them". Also, "enslave them all" doesn't rhyme.
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Offline BlackDove

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Also, LotR is junk.

Well...the movies at least.

 

Offline Zarax

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Originally posted by Grey Wolf
I have no experience with enterprise technical support, so I can't really say.

Zarax: It's a LotR reference. Hence, "bind them". Also, "enslave them all" doesn't rhyme.


I know it's a LOTR reference, I just tried to adapt it to a certain thing... ;)

@Clave: Paid support is when:

a) you don't have time to fixing it alone

b) you don't have the skills to fix it

For most other cases community support will give you enough solutions most of the times, except for stuff like hardware/drivers issues.
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Offline Zarax

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Also, LotR is junk.

Well...the movies at least.


Way OT here, plus that would be whole different war :D
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Offline Kamikaze

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And the IBM trademark to enslave them all...


Umm. IBM doesn't produce a Linux distro. Neither does it own the Linux trademark. :)
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Offline Zarax

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Umm. IBM doesn't produce a Linux distro. Neither does it own the Linux trademark. :)


Exactly, they just rips other people's work selling it with their trademark... Unfortunatel IBM is what too many firms chooses...

BTW, I'm not 100% sure they don't have custom (closed?) code on the stuff they ships...
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Offline Grey Wolf

IIRC, if you add code to a GPL product, that code also is now covered under the GPL.
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Offline Clave

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Well, from a personal point of view, I loathe Linux, but that's just due to it being used on our servers at the office.  I will be full of glee when we switch back to Windows...
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Offline Kamikaze

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Originally posted by Zarax


Exactly, they just rips other people's work selling it with their trademark... Unfortunatel IBM is what too many firms chooses...


Ah, right. Just like how Microsoft "ripped off" the BSD TCP/IP stack? Or how they "ripped off" their FTP utilities? Oh, or just like how Microsoft "rips off" all those developers when they distribute their Services for Unix package?

You obviously don't understand the point of open source licenses. The developers are quite fine and happy with IBM distributing their software. After all, they use the GPL license.
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Originally posted by Zarax


You haven't seen what software becomes in IBM hands...

"we give linux for free, of course you have to buy our servers and pay $700 for evey machine per month plus our embedded consultant fee"


Except of course that's exactly what Linux on IBM isn't. But  hey, why let facts in?
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Offline Zarax

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Originally posted by Kamikaze


Ah, right. Just like how Microsoft "ripped off" the BSD TCP/IP stack? Or how they "ripped off" their FTP utilities? Oh, or just like how Microsoft "rips off" all those developers when they distribute their Services for Unix package?

You obviously don't understand the point of open source licenses. The developers are quite fine and happy with IBM distributing their software. After all, that's why it's licensed with the GPL.


Too bad that they pays licenses for the networking components they "ripped off"...

But of course even the devil is good if it's against Mcrosoft... :doubt:
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Offline Martinus

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To make that analogy more precise, the dozens of volunteer groups are each making a different tank, each with its own quirks, strengths, and weaknesses. All of the tanks being constructed can fire 7.62mm rounds, but their main cannon size varies... 70mm, 90mm, 105mm, and 120mm. The physical sizes of the tanks differ... some are Western tanks, while others are Russian. Some use a Vickers tread system, others use the Christie system. Additionally, learning to drive one tank fully does not grant you equal mastery over any other tank; the size, bulkiness, handling are similar, but the control mechanisms are completely different: some have a single joystick, some have steering wheels, some have dual steering shafts. Some drive-by-wire, others are more manual.

Additionally, aside from the fact that all these volunteer groups are working on a tank, there is little-to-no cooperation between them. Instead of collaborating and making one "supertank" that does everything anyone could ever want, they decided to specialize. Some tanks are fast, some have incredible passability, some are heavily armored... the list goes on.

So when someone comes to this intersection, if they happen to glance at the volunteer tank engineer corner, all the see or hear is dozens of different tanks, in various stages of readiness, and hundreds of bullhorn-abusing people, their amplified voices joined into one cacophony of accoustic mud.

So these people, who merely want something to drive around, look anywhere but the tank corner.

Granted, people coming for a tank will go get a tank. But if the volunteers want others to buy tanks as well, something needs to be done.

[color=66ff00]I don't think that's a good analogy.

Linux irrespective of which flavour is entirely transparent, you can take any bit you like and use it, as such all of the tanks are the same but the addons are what make them different. Any tank can have a 70mm or 90mm gun depending on the whim of the user. Some distros promote one type of build over others but there's nothing to stop you chopping and changing. It's fair to say that the way the tank is built changes from distro to distro but they're all building a pretty much identical base tank. Ubuntu and Fedora are like buying a pre-built tank with clearly defined options whereas Gentoo, Debian and linux from scratch are akin to buying a kit and building it from the ground up yourself. The thing to remember is that all of the tank parts are available to everyone for the most part so you don't have to settle on just one set of addons.

I can use the package system from debian if I wish or the ports system from gentoo to install programs in any linux build. You can choose any firewall you like, any interface you like.... It's more like asking would you like your M1 with a stereo, furry dice and mats or just the furry dice and mats.
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Offline Zarax

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Originally posted by mikhael


Except of course that's exactly what Linux on IBM isn't. But  hey, why let facts in?


Why let facts in when you can deny reality, right mik?

Face it, the linux community is blatantly raped by IBM, but why admit it when you can blame Microsoft?
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Offline Kamikaze

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Originally posted by Zarax


Too bad that they pays licenses for the networking components they "ripped off"...

But of course even the devil is good if it's against Mcrosoft... :doubt:


Huh!? No they don't. BSD's TCP/IP stack and BSD ftp tools are all licensed under the BSD license (wow, makes a whole lot of sense eh?). Since when do you pay licensing fees for BSD licensed software?
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Offline Zarax

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Originally posted by Kamikaze


Huh!? No they don't. BSD's TCP/IP stack and BSD ftp tools are all licensed under the BSD license (wow, makes a whole lot of sense eh?). Since when do you pay licensing fees for BSD licensed software?


AFAIK MSFT uses SCO's UNIX derivative components for its networking system, and not BSD.
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