[deep_eyes]

i think im too salty for carl.... and i thought shivans dont eat pork? puerto ricans are porky!

[Scuddie]

...What?!!

[Descenterace]

Originally posted by kode


so... what features are pointless, then? my opinion is that they're mostly useful. like the trash can and the mouse gestures. and the office they have in the city where I live.

Trash can? For what? I've got a 'delete' key but there's no obvious use for it when browsing, except to delete typed text.

You mentioned mouse gestures. An excellent example of a 'pointless feature' from my PoV. Maybe not from other people's, admittedly; I myself am rather too used to giving the machine (not person, not intelligence, machine) in front of me precise instructions that have no possibility of being misinterpreted.

Email is a totally separate protocol from HTTP. There is no reason at all to combine email with web browsing, except in that case of web-based email services which require nothing more than HTTP.
Newsreading: ditto.
IRC: Once again, IM services are a seperate protocol entirely and lumping them in with HTTP is just dumb. Besides, I don't use IRC.

[SadisticSid]

So Sandwich, when are we going to see an Opera button next to your Firefox one?

I'm also interested to learn exactly which of Opera's features are useless. Mouse gestures might be one, voice support another - but the first also encompasses things like being able to switch windows and move backwards and forwards without clicking on specific UI components and the second is an optional download anyway. Pretty much all the rest just give you (much) greater control over your browsing sessions. Also, doesn't FF's application suite have an email browser as well?

[StratComm]

Firefox is not an application suite.  Thunderbird, the e-mail client, is also by the Mozilla foundation and is considered a companion to Firefox, but it is always a seperate download.  It's Mozilla proper (now Seamonkey) that has the e-mail client and other stuff bundled up together.

As for gestures, I'll take my back/forward mouse buttons any time, thank you  I really think those two buttons will end up like the mouse wheel; once a neat extra feature, eventually totally standard.

[General Freak]

As of today? I thought Opera became free on its birthday, several weeks ago.

[Grey Wolf]

No, that was a one-shot deal.

Anyway, you don't need to click UI components to change tabs in Firefox. That's what Ctrl-Tab is for.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Scuddie


[q]Originally posted by Sandwich
- Standards support is either extremely buggy or simply missing
True dat.  It's too bad you can say the same thing about every other browser as well, all of which have their different areas.

Uhm, nooo.... Both Gecko-based browsers (Firefox, Mozilla Suite, Netscape) and Opera have excellent standards support, all the way up to CSS2. The IE engine claims to support CSS, but it doesn't even support CSS1 properly. Sure, the Gecko engine and Opera have their quirks here and there, but compared to IE... drop in an ocean, y'know? And that's something you CAN'T improve by wrapping the IE engine in a better application; I myself used NetCaptor for years - the inderlying engine is the same, buggy POS it's been for years.

- Security issues go unpatched for long periods of time; when patches are finally issued, it isn't unheard of for them to be re-patched or pulled completely
I don't visit black sites.  I therefor don't give a rats ass about security updates;  And to no surprise, I never had a problem...  ever.

I grant that - IF one knows how to browse properly, how not to impulsively click on whatever pops up - one can largely remain unharmed while browsing the web using IE. However, the % of the population that knows how to browse is such a manner (and I am one of them) is less than %1.

- IE's featureset has remained largely the same since version 4.0, which shipped with Windows 98. Only 7 years out-dated.
Aye.  However, that is what shells are for.  I have a link for you.  Maxthon gives all the major features of firefox without adding an extra memory footprint.

Good for you on this point - as I said above, I myself used a browser shell for IE for a long while.

[/q]

Anyway, until you know how to use IE (which most people apparently dont know how to do), I suggest YOU keep quiet on the matter .

Knowing browsers is part of my job. Don't presume that I don't know how to use something for a task just because I prefer to accomplish that task in a safer manner. If you know how to remain safe while still using IE, more power to ya. Just don't go around recommending IE to every Tom, Dick, and Harry; it's doubtful they're as knowledgeable as you in such matters.

Originally posted by SadisticSid
So Sandwich, when are we going to see an Opera button next to your Firefox one?

Considering I support both... how's this? Don't want to overload on buttons and stuff.