[Unknown Target]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051006/ap_on_go_co/congress_detainees

Delivering a rare wartime slap at     Pentagon authority and     President Bush, the GOP-controlled Senate voted 90-9 on Wednesday to back an amendment that would prohibit the use of "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment" against anyone in U.S. government custody, regardless of where they are held.

[Mefustae]

$20 says they'll make some arguement that Gitmo isn't technically part of the US Government. Don't believe me? Well, if they can create confusion & misdirection over whether or not it's on US Soil, they can do this...

[aldo_14]

I doubt it'll make a difference.  Rumsfeld (or was it Cheney?  I forget) already defined 'acceptable' torture.  Besides which, they've ignored that part of various UN treaties/Geneva convention at Gitmo for years now.

Or, they can just do the usual thing and ship them off to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, etc for a bit of the old slap and tickle (more slapping, much less tickling).  CIA interrogators will be changed to 'guests' or soforth.

It's interesting to see this described as 'wartime'.

[Bobboau]

Delivering a rare wartime slap at Pentagon authority and President Bush, the GOP-controlled Senate voted 90-9 on Wednesday to back an amendment that would cover there asses and not have any effect on anything other than there copability to there inattentave constituancies

on the other hand it does just go to show just how damned cool McCain is.

[Kazan]

Bobboau: except the other 95% of the time when McCain is slobbing bush and the **************'s knobs

[edit]
they're still censoring a valid political science term - how FASCIST of them

makes me one any of .. oh wait i don't have to wonder i know one of the admins is a member of the christian theofacist movement

[Rictor]

That's a new one. Honestly, I would consdier myself lucky that the Christian theofascist you are reffering to is as nice a guy as he is.

Bob: McCain is...he's the good cop. But he's still a cop. Sure, I prefer him to the Republicans and most Democracts, but that says more about them than it does about him.

Originally posted by aldo_14
It's interesting to see this described as 'wartime'.

Shush! Don't you know that the Motherland (I always wondered how they decide the gender of a nation) is in grave danger?! That Zarqawi, he's the next  Rommel.

[TrashMan]

Originally posted by aldo_14
I doubt it'll make a difference.  Rumsfeld (or was it Cheney?  I forget) already defined 'acceptable' torture.  Besides which, they've ignored that part of various UN treaties/Geneva convention at Gitmo for years now.

Or, they can just do the usual thing and ship them off to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, etc for a bit of the old slap and tickle (more slapping, much less tickling).  CIA interrogators will be changed to 'guests' or soforth.

It's interesting to see this described as 'wartime'.

Waht did you expet? War is a b****. Information is power.
You can't really expect the other side to play nice either..

That said, a US citizen doens't even have to touch a captive. tehy have allies in X counttries that would be more than capable of extracting information out of any captives they hand over...

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by TrashMan


Waht did you expet? War is a b****. Information is power.
You can't really expect the other side to play nice either..

Exepct?  Nothing more.

Want?  Humane treatment, rule of law, adherence to conventions against torture.  Y'know, all the things that this 'war on terror' is supposed to be fighting to preserve.

Plus torture is considered inherently unreliable in any case; it tends to make the person more likely to say what the torturer wants, than anything they actually know.  (also, if they genuinely don't know anything, then their choice is lying and making stuff up, or suffering indefinately)

I'm not sure this is really 'war', though.  Doesn't feel like a war over here, there's not any threat of invasion (and minimal threat of actual attack; I think the odds of being killed in a terrorist act are about 120,000 to one or so, probably higher).  I guess Iraq is a war, but that wasn't really part of this purported 'war on terror' in anything but rhetoric.  It's a bit like the 'war on drugs'' or the 'war on cancer', I guess.

Originally posted by TrashMan
That said, a US citizen doens't even have to touch a captive. tehy have allies in X counttries that would be more than capable of extracting information out of any captives they hand over...

That's what I said; that's what they already do.

[Ford Prefect]

It's a bit like the 'war on drugs'' or the 'war on cancer', I guess.

Except, I actually care if we win the war on cancer.

[IceFire]

Originally posted by Kazan
Bobboau: except the other 95% of the time when McCain is slobbing bush and the **************'s knobs

[edit]
they're still censoring a valid political science term - how FASCIST of them

makes me one any of .. oh wait i don't have to wonder i know one of the admins is a member of the christian theofacist movement

Is that me?

Someone accused me of belonging to a "hippie religion" the other day so I'll go with that

[Ace]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect

Except, I actually care if we win the war on cancer.

Seconded

Originally posted by IceFire

Is that me?

Nah, it's really hard for Canadians to be shrubs. Well minus that one guy from Alberta in my astronomy class who thinks Venus has no atmosphere...

[Kazan]

icefire: nope not you - and "hippie" is the opposite of authoritarian and fascism is a form of authitarianism

[Rictor]

Originally posted by IceFire

Is that me?

Someone accused me of belonging to a "hippie religion" the other day so I'll go with that

Who's the resident Christian around here, and an admin? And who just so happens to be one of the nicest guys on this, or any any other web forum?

[Blaise Russel]

Wait... so nine people thought the use of cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment or punishment on people was A-OK?

[mikhael]

Its a representative body.

Of course some of them thought it was ok, Blaise: this is a country where some people think its okay to tie someone to the back of your truck and drag him until he's dead.

Considering how many US citizens still think its okay to bomb anyone who disagrees with US Foreign Policy, I'm surprised it was only 10% of the Senate.

[Unknown Target]

*smells a flamewar coming somehow*

*wanders out of thread and into bunker*

[WMCoolmon]

We aren't at war.

Has Congress voted to declare war on anything? No. Hell I'm not even sure how they voted to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

[Goober5000]

Originally posted by Rictor
Who's the resident Christian around here, and an admin? And who just so happens to be one of the nicest guys on this, or any any other web forum?

There are three self-described Christians on staff here: Setekh, Sandwich, and me.  As for who censored Kazan's pet insult, I believe it was Raa who petitioned for it and Sandwich who added it to the filter.  And I doubt either of them would agree that they are a "theofascist".

Now with that out of the way, let's kindly not turn this into another religious thread.

[Charismatic]

Lol. Im a...nm

I think this is bull. I think its fine to torture dingheads..

[Ford Prefect]

I agree. There's not enough animalistic brutality in today's sanitized world. Every time I think about other people in pain, I just wanna spring a rubbery one.