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Offline TrashMan

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Black & White 2 & other great games
teh game is cool..utterly, totaly cool.

Playing it now and having fun..the creatures are brilliant!:D

and more great games comning our way!

UFO: Aftershockshould be out in a week or so :D

Heroes of Might and Magic V ar nearing completion (alltough I don't like a few things I've seen about it)

Battle for Middle Earth 2 is allso on it's way.

FEAR is impressive to say the keast.

Worms 4 are allso great.

Dungeonsige 2 looks promising

Dark Messiah of might and Magic - from the trailers it's to die for

Operation Flashpoint 2 is allos around the corner..

Age of EMpires 3...Savage 2..... Earth 2160...Titans' Quest...Vietcong 2 (americans are the evil dudes here)..

*SENSORY OVERLOAD!!!**
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Not to sound too ignorant, but B&W2 is out?!

Edit: Cripes, I see it is... and looking rather pretty as well. The developed cities look truly sturdy now. I'll be trying it.

 

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I'm not buying B&W II after the first one. Might pirate it but I paid good money for B&W and ar as I'm concerned Lionhead owe me a good game cause B&W was a bug ridden mess (I found that if it ever crashed it corrupted itself and then I would have to reinstall).


All the reviews I've read of it so far are not giving it high marks. Sounds like it suffers from similar stupid flaws like the first one (Forcing you to play the tutorials even if you've played the first game/ want to play again from the beginning, large amounts of micromanagement still required and other stupid crap like that.
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Damn UK has Earth 2160 already.

Not really interested in B&W 2 after the first one either.

 
So little has been added to B&W2 that it can barely be called an expansion pack. So they upgraded the engine, wow amazing etc. It's still a novelty toy, one that I got sick of in about 15 minutes of loading it up. At least I didn't waste time installing the !!!!er. :p

 

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I want to try it, before I buy it. Looks pretty good, though.

F.E.A.R. is next, with Quake 4 following. :)

What else is on the horizon?
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Yeah, Black and White 2 isn't really getting great reviews. I think it's the same case as with B&W1, where they release an interesting, innovative game that's plauged with bugs and technical problems.

I hope that Lionhead holds off an B&W3 for a while, cause an interesting concept does not a great game make.

 
What bugs? I've been playing B&W II, and there are no bugs, period. At least, as far as I've seen.

Citybuilding is a good bit more interesting than in B&W, and watching your creature stomp and eat enemie armies is great.

Much much better than B&W, IMO.
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Well, I haven't actually played it, so I woulnd't know, but most of the reviews fault it for technical problems and/or repetitive gameplay.

 
I might be able to see repetitive gameplay (basically, winning lands involves either a) Creating big mamajama cities and making everyone flock to your cities, b) building big mamajama armies and waging war across the land with your Creature-General, or c) something in between), but I've yet to see one single bug or technical problem. And I'm almost finished with the game :/.
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There isn't a game on Earth that doesn't have repetitive gameplay, it's just that you can complete an Unreal Tourney level in 10 minutes, whereas a B&W2 level takes a good few hours, so the game is a lot more sedate than people who like action games would enjoy, but it is an awesome game, the graphics are nice and atmospheric, if a little system-hungry, and it's possibly a little too similar to B&W 1, but still a bloody good game :)

 
True, true. For all it's flaws (whatever they may be), it's Still a thoroughly enjoyable game
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Well, I haven't actually played it, so I woulnd't know, but most of the reviews fault it for technical problems and/or repetitive gameplay.


One review I read complained about the fact that instead of being able to get on the game you were basically forced to play the tutorial for several levels. No option to skip it. No option to even skip the "This is how you do x" explainations.

For someone who played B&W this alone is probably enough to make you want to pull your hair out.

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I hope that Lionhead holds off an B&W3 for a while, cause an interesting concept does not a great game make.


Black & White is a great concept but it was executed with almost neolithic incompetence. The fact is that I actually found myself asking if anyone had actually playtested the game at several point.

Firstly the required level of micromanagement was ridiculous. It's one thing for the people to think that it's their God's job to protect them, heal them from the plague etc but when they're too stupid to F**k each other without being told to do so then the game really needs work.

Same with the creature. The concept is brilliant and the slapping and stroking great but without any way of knowing which behaviour is being rewarded or punished it's so dreadfully easy to reward the wrong thing. All they needed to do was have a little think bubble appear with the creature doing what he was thinking about and the problem would have gone away without the need for the text/keyboard interface that they were so obviously trying to ignore (Yet again another stupid idea. I've lost count of the number of times I've cast the wrong spell etc)

Basically all of these flaws should have been spotted in playtesting. The previews all seemed to suggest that Lionhead were aware of the errors but the reviews I've read suggest the exact opposite.
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B&W 2 is a resourtce hog, alltough not to great a one.
I have a GForce 4Ti 4200 64mb, 1GB DDR, Athlon 1900+ and I run the game in 800x600 at low detail (looks great even here). I only get slowdons on the biggger islands with fully built cities and all..

Alltough if you're gona play it a word of adivce - DON'T move towards hte next island if you havn't squeezed the current one dry. Do all the quests, gather as much worshiping points as you can - you're gonna need a pumped up creature and preferably a good wonder - and that costs a lot.

that said hte AI in B&W2 seems to be better - the pople will do mostly all needed things on hteir own, alltough when you order them to do something thy become desciples (which mean the job becomes their duty and they do it the whole day - no breaks, no frolickong around).
Pathfinding has a few bugs, but otherwise it seems ok...
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One review I read complained about the fact that instead of being able to get on the game you were basically forced to play the tutorial for several levels. No option to skip it. No option to even skip the "This is how you do x" explainations.


Thats a lie. The main tutorial is limited to the first island. They were evidently playing a totally different game.

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For someone who played B&W this alone is probably enough to make you want to pull your hair out.


True, if this was actually the case.

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Black & White is a great concept but it was executed with almost neolithic incompetence. The fact is that I actually found myself asking if anyone had actually playtested the game at several point.

Firstly the required level of micromanagement was ridiculous. It's one thing for the people to think that it's their God's job to protect them, heal them from the plague etc but when they're too stupid to F**k each other without being told to do so then the game really needs work.


True, true, and...true. However, this is B&W 1.

In B&W 2, villagers will perform most basic needs (Like screwing, harvesting ore, lumber, food, building stuff you set down) by themselves. You only need to set Disciples if you want to bolster a specific field for one reason or another, or if it's early in the game.

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Same with the creature. The concept is brilliant and the slapping and stroking great but without any way of knowing which behaviour is being rewarded or punished it's so dreadfully easy to reward the wrong thing.


True. However...

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All they needed to do was have a little think bubble appear with the creature doing what he was thinking about and the problem would have gone away without the need for the text/keyboard interface that they were so obviously trying to ignore (Yet again another stupid idea. I've lost count of the number of times I've cast the wrong spell etc)


Both of these are in Black and White 2. You're creature's thoughts will pop up in a bubble, like "Should I poo on that villager?" or "I'm going to poo on that villager!" and you then may punish or reward him as you wish for such thoughts/actions.

There's a new interface with several menus, such as "Creature Behavior," "Build Structures," "Miracles," and Purchasing options (you can earn and spend influence (or something) to buy new miracles, Elite troops, or Buildings, such as the new Epic Wonders (which unlock Epic miracles: Earthquake, SIrens call, Hurricane, and Volcano).

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Basically all of these flaws should have been spotted in playtesting. The previews all seemed to suggest that Lionhead were aware of the errors but the reviews I've read suggest the exact opposite. [/B]


The reviews are being incompetant then. If they want to whine about something missing from the game, they should first check to make sure it's ACTUALLY missing from the game. :/
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Every Lionhead game I've played has always seemed a few months cut short / rushed. Bugs, un-completed quests etc.
Fable is a good (or bad) example. They're re-releasign the game how it should of been in the first places which is just bull!!!!. FFS Lionhead, get it right. >(

I'm actually interested in B&W2, but if its filled with bugs and random crashes again... :(

 

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The reviews are being incompetant then. If they want to whine about something missing from the game, they should first check to make sure it's ACTUALLY missing from the game. :/


Seems a fair point. Like I said I'm going to try the game out. I doubt I'll be buying it seeing as I paid good money for the first one and the expansion pack and barely played the latter due to the bugs always crippling my copy of the former before I could finish the game.
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I'd like to point out that...

Lionhead released a patch on the day before the game was released, which fixes some minor bugs, and adds a "skip tutorial" option:

· Added an option to skip the initial advisor speech on Land 1 by pressing the Escape key - this will take you directly to the Creature selection.
· Added a silver scroll after the creature selection screen to skip the movement tutorials.

and...

I have not encountered any major bugs or crashes, and i have been running the game for 48 hours now (I am running it atm). (read: no crashes, adn the only bug i have seen is that if you place an army near a wall, the soldiers can walk through the wall. their flag can not thoug, so they cannot pass the wall.)

(edited for more clearness)
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I've heard varying reviews of B&W2.  I am after a nice sedate management/city building game, though (I bought Sim City 4, but it doesn't work on >GF4 cards and they never, ever, patched it in the several years since the bug was known and the game re-released on budget.  Bastards).  Albeit I'm looking to see how good The Movies is.

Oh, and I quite enjoyed Fable on PC; particularly because it was quite funny at points.  Really short though; I completed it with most of the sidequests and stuff gotten in under 15 hours.  Bit easy, too, although I'm not too bothered about that.

 

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I'm glad to hear that they added options to skip the introduction stuff (can't help but think they should've put that in the release that shipped though?).

The nature of city building etc. looks like quite a lot of fun now (I enjoy building up bloody great cities and such).

Of course I did enjoy Black and White so the idea of it with better graphics and a few necessary tweaks seems like a good thing.